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Old 04-28-2009, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cummins_guy
on a VE Bosh pump, the most you will get is 250, maybe 290

if you are going higher than that you will eed to do 2 things, #1 ceramic coat your piston, the stock piston are only good up to 300 hp (not recomended) #2 buy the 3911400 piston, this is a marine piston and is tested at 400 HP (can go up to 500)

then you will need p7100 fuel pump, pinline front housing and cover.

the stock injectors will reach 290 with no problem but i would go with next size up.

you can use the stock turbo with these upgrades.

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about 2/3 of the modified 1st gens out there are making over 300......mine will be shortly as soon as it gets back from the pump shop......Block is well over 600 with his......

if Dan built the pump he should of recommended or sold you a good set of injectors, call him and he will get you a set matched too the pump since he built it......

if the pump has 14mm head and a 4000 spring in it im going to say your going to need a turbo around a 64/71/14, if not a 66/71/14.....
 
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Old 04-28-2009, 06:10 AM
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just trying to give my 2 cents as well.

I have pushed close to 1,500 hp with 12 valves, tractor pulls, major mods.

I'm building a 500 hp engine right know,if i figure out how to put pictures on this site I will gladly show.
 

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Old 04-28-2009, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cummins_guy
on a VE Bosh pump, the most you will get is 250, maybe 290

if you are going higher than that you will eed to do 2 things, #1 ceramic coat your piston, the stock piston are only good up to 300 hp (not recomended) #2 buy the 3911400 piston, this is a marine piston and is tested at 400 HP (can go up to 500)

then you will need p7100 fuel pump, pinline front housing and cover.

the stock injectors will reach 290 with no problem but i would go with next size up.

you can use the stock turbo with these upgrades.

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That is the most backwards post I have ever read. I know of TWO local 1st gens that are at 400 or above. Mine being one. I know of plenty others that are 400 or above, a few that are 500 or above, and 2 or 3 that are over 600.
 
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Old 04-28-2009, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by big bad diesel 416
not true if the pump is done rite it will fuel to 4200 like mine
i woudl love to see that dyno graph. What you got done to your pump?
 
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Old 04-28-2009, 07:37 AM
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yes you can get 400 or 500 hp out of a first gen.
 

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Old 04-28-2009, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by cummins_guy
yes you can get 400 or 500 hp out of a first gen.
Why did you edit out your original post. Had some good info, put it back up.

Stock non-I/C'ed injectors will flow enough fuel for 400HP if you have everthing else on the truck right, a good turbo (s300), and the truck is tuned damn near perfect. Not saying its easy and dont think it would be worth it but you can do it on stock sticks. You are leaps and bounds ahead to get you a good set of injectors first.
 

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Old 04-28-2009, 11:40 AM
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ok.

this is what I'm working on.

6bt storm block (this is a marine block, it is thicker and can handle more heat and strees)
not sure what piston I will be using, might go with 3906631 higher horsepower.
I'm trying to disighn a exhaust manifold to handle more flow of air, this will help with boost pressures inside the head so that it does not blow head gasket or the head when you have twins. i know of a guy who can cut a fire ring inside the head as well to help with not blowing gaskets.
the cylinder head is port and polished, i ground out the valves larger as well, cant use 6bt valve anymore, not sure what i will do with the intake, but I'm thinking of cutting off the intake and welding a cone like intake on( kinda what you enter cooler looks like when entering the cooling chamber.)

the injection pump, I mess with the fuel plate and hone out the plunger, same for the injectors( I,m thinking of tapping my injector holes out to seat a set of 6ct injectors and see what I get with that.

that all I have for now.
 
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Keep us up to date!

The head work is gonna be were you see your biggest improvement, And as far as getting you exhaust manifold made, I would install a Drive pressure gauge and see where you sit. The closer to 1:1 you get the more your HG will like you. Why mess with trying to make 6ct injectors fit? Coaltrain or New Era will hook you up with what ever you want injectors wise and you wont have to worry about you spray pattern being way off and out of the bowl which will happen with 6ct injectors. Get you a good set of 6x16's and call it good. Fire rings are nice for a comp only rig. O-rings and studs will take alot of abuse on a properly set up rig.

What HP you shooting for?
 

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Old 04-28-2009, 11:49 AM
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I would like to hit 12 maybe 1500 HP

I'm not a turbo guy so I,m not sure what to run, I would like to run HC5 with s300, but not sure what is going to happen.

it should be finished and on the dyno in June maybe July, hopefully.
 
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cummins_guy
just trying to give my 2 cents as well.

I have pushed close to 1,500 hp with 12 valves, tractor pulls, major mods.

I'm building a 500 hp engine right know,if i figure out how to put pictures on this site I will gladly show.
Go ahead and put up some pics. you can either put them in your album or click the manage attachments button at the bottom.
 


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