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No Boostage--What Gives?

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Old 10-15-2014, 07:37 PM
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I don't get to drive The Thing but on weekends...walk to bus depot, take a direct bus to downtown, walk to my office. Rinse and repeat, daily. (snivel-whine-moan) (sniff)

1. Good almost-catch on the boost gauge itself. I fingered it was the boost gauge line and/or joints, which I checked again tonight...no love, GONG!

Then I ripped the boost gauge out of the console and, umm, "rigged" it to my scuba regulator through another adjustable generic regulator I have, set at 10, 20, and 30 psig. I guess this counts as a "loss"*, since the gauge read perfectly.

Also, as part of flushing the cooling system out, I ran El Troca Blanca 'bout 200 miles this weekend, continuously, just trying to get it good and warm so the cleaner stuff could work--and some of that included getting back onto downtown freeways. The poor thing couldn't get out of its own way on the onramps; it "accelerated"...not. It was embarrassing. I'm satisfied that yes, indeed it is a diesel. Just not a turbocharged one, with no manifold pressure and i.e. nothing to show on a boost gauge.

2. Wastegate diaphragm chamber and pushrod: I am plotting to pull that apart this weekend, if indeed it can be pulled apart; I'll have to study up on that as I know nothing about Cummins Holsets. Links?

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*OK, parable time chilluns:

Walked into a bar, mid-morning, and ordered a draft beer (the bartender was busy, picking his nose)(classy place). The only other people a-sittin' at the stools were a dweeby Prius-drivin' wad (drinking a, not diet Coke, but diet Pepsi!), a leather-clad, tattooed stereotypical biker, and my entirely normal self. The bored bartender stayed behind the bar, watering down the beer and not entirely awake.

Biker to Prius guy: Citizen, I betcha $5.00 I can pour this beer over yer head and not get you WET.

Prius Guy, with a supercilious, I'm better-than-you sniff: "Well, I'll just take that bet". (to itself) "Heh! Easiest five bucks I ever made in my life! This low person probably drives diesel pickup as well as a Harley and thus leaves a huge carbon footprint and therefore is guilty in the eyes of the lords Algor and Obama and deserves to be shown his place."

Biker pours beer all over Prius Guy; Prius Guy sputters imprecations and drips; Bartender laffs his butt off (but does not part with a water-down round on the house); I spew beer-ish water though my nose.

Biker sez to soaked, watered-beer smellin' Prius Guy:
Well. I guesses YOU wins THAT one!
 

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Old 10-16-2014, 09:51 AM
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LOL...


have you inspected all the boost hoses.. ?

It would seem that kinda odd .. can you hear your turbo spooling ?
 
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Old 10-16-2014, 10:21 AM
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...have you inspected all the boost hoses...?
Yup. That was my first suspicion, Occam's Razor. I'm going to go back over everything in clinically minute detail this very weekend, every obvious and hidden joint where compressed air could be leaking...but it would seem to me that a.), I'd be able to hear a released compressed air hiss, and b.), be able to easily see the leak capable of passing the volume of air required for a, say, 6-12 psig.

Originally Posted by 4x4manonbroke
...can you hear your turbo spooling?
I think so. Open dual pipes (somewhat loudish) (open windows, lot or freeway noise plus 10-31x15 tire noise), but I'm pretty much sure I heard the blessed whine when I put the engine under load, i.e., the freeway on-ramp pedal-to-the-metal and other accelerative occasions.

Originally Posted by 4x4manonbroke
It would seem kinda odd...
Ya think? Frankly, this'n has me buffaloed; it's got to be something stupid-obvious that I'm just not seeing (typical)--or something expensive.

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Old 10-18-2014, 03:03 AM
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Yeah .. Bound to be something retarded and like .. Oh .. No CHIT !!!! THAT THEER'S A LEAK .. LOL.. I FOUND THE PROBLEM !!!!! ... I have had manny of these revelations in my life .. but I'll digress ..
 
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:58 PM
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Beer Yup. Found It...

...and there goes my excuse to go rush out and buy a Precision Turbo Ball-Bearing turbo. Sigh.

Originally Posted by 4x4manonbroke
Yeah .. Bound to be something retarded and like .. Oh .. No CHIT !!!! THAT THEER'S A LEAK .. LOL.. I FOUND THE PROBLEM !!!!! ... I have had manny of these revelations in my life .. but I'll digress ..
So there I was, teetering away on top of an upside-down plastic 5-gallon pail, pretending to attempt (snicker) to "balance" while looking toward the center of the engine compartment and leaning precariously over the fender (meaning my manly parts would get soundly smacked when said bucket tumped) (it did)...but just before it did its inevitable Homer Bucket thing ("thang" down here in south Texas) I spotted IT. YAY! OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Bright shiny threads in a hole at the extreme end of intake manifold back by the firewall; the bolt or the plug backed out, just to f..., I mean, "screw" with me.

Haven't been able to match up the threads, yet, and I'm beginning to thing it would probably be easier to pull the intake lid off and make a full-scale production out of this.

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Old 11-03-2014, 10:07 PM
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fine thread american 1/4"
 
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:46 PM
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OK, there I was, minding my own bidness one fine Sunday, playing truck out in the driveway when space aliens abducted me and attempted to probe my brain cavity but threw me back in disgust 'cause the zombies had beaten them to to it during the recent Zombie Apocalyse but I fooled 'em ALL 'cause I took said brain out and was playing with it AND FORGOT WHERE I PUT IT! HA! TAKE THAT! I GOTS NO BRAIN! WINNING!


Originally Posted by 4x4manonbroke
fine thread american 1/4"
My first thot was that hex head plug, like the OEM others in the lower manifold; it probably backed out, and since I have both American 1/8" NPT and 1/8" BST (supplied with my SAE and MetricTap & Die sets) taps, I tried greasing them up running them down that ol' hole (woo hoo!).

Neither would start, which is not surprising as that hole is within 3-4 inches of the clutch master cylinder or brake servo and therefore very hard to get a straight shot at, much less put any straightline pressure on.

Either tap shoulda started easily were it the correct thread; same for the 1/4"-20 and 8mm-1.0 taps I tried.

INTERMISSION ) (Some "lemonade" guzzled)(then some more).
"Duh--possible broken off hollow-body brass fitting." I included hex-head plugs in the brass fitting category. Perhaps the thread I saw was further down the hole, past the 'rind' of the broken fitting left in the threaded hole. "Well", I thot, "I'll just run a #4 EZ-OUT down that ol' hole and back that thang outta there..."

"HEY, GROOOOOVY MAN"
Forgetting for a moment that the EZ-OUT's flutes were going to leave grooves in the soft brass and soft cast iron if I put any meaningful torque on the removal tool, I...put some meaningful torque on the removal tool. Then I noted some BRANDY-NEW meaningful grooves in the material in the hole.

Then decided to give up for the day 'cause the mosquitoes were BITIN and therefore I needed more mosquito-repelling "lemonade" in my system, NOT because I was in the least bit worried about screwing things up even worser.

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Old 11-09-2014, 04:19 PM
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It turns out that it wasn't that threaded hole (that something threaded backed out of) in the lower section of the intake manifold; that was simply a horizontal bolt boss for the engine hoist sling. Didn't go through to compressed air channel, phooey.

I'm reading the manual now. "Real men don't need instructions", I know, I know (sigh).

Next test needs to be putting my bicycle pump to turbocharger actuator and my dial indicator to the actuator/wastegate link and actually see if it moves at all--book sez I'm looking for .0013-.050" which is a whole lot less than I thought (or can see from above...)

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So .. is it fixed yet ???
 
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