Just put a order in for my fathers day present!
#41
Anybody ever heard of these?NEBO PROTEC ELITE FIREARM LIGHT
What ever.....I guess you have been shot at a few times and know how you react to being on a 2 way range...
Want to bet you can talk tough **** all you want & in reality have no idea how your body/mind will act/react when you are on a 2 way range & get hit by the adrenaline dump & tachypsychia.......
Internet tough guys....give em a pistol and they think they are John Wayne...
Want to bet you can talk tough **** all you want & in reality have no idea how your body/mind will act/react when you are on a 2 way range & get hit by the adrenaline dump & tachypsychia.......
Internet tough guys....give em a pistol and they think they are John Wayne...
PLUM, the "run-n-gun" style of training will get your heart rate up, a mild stress inducer if you will. Is it the same as combat or a real gunfight, no, but short of being in combat or some very special training courses, its about the best you can do on your own. I've even thought about incorporating someone shooting blanks into the air at random to make it a little more like a 2 way range.
Hitting your target standing still with time to squeeze off that perfect shot and putting all the holes in a 2-3" group(or less depending on the weapon) at a specific distance is one thing, but you're not going to be able to do that under stress and/or on the run.
Last edited by RSWORDS; 06-24-2011 at 11:41 AM.
#42
Don't know anything about the light you are questioning here but I have a regular flashlight made by NEBO and its ok. A couple of the LEDs are going out, flickering. Decent light for what it is.
Not claiming to be a "tactical guru" but this is why I prefer to do "run-n-gun" style shooting practice over just standing behind a bench at a range. Obviously not all of us can do that.
PLUM, the "run-n-gun" style of training will get your heart rate up, a mild stress inducer if you will. Is it the same as combat or a real gunfight, no, but short of being in combat or some very special training courses, its about the best you can do on your own. I've even thought about incorporating someone shooting blanks into the air at random to make it a little more like a 2 way range.
Hitting your target standing still with time to squeeze off that perfect shot and putting all the holes in a 2-3" group(or less depending on the weapon) at a specific distance is one thing, but you're not going to be able to do that under stress and/or on the run.
Not claiming to be a "tactical guru" but this is why I prefer to do "run-n-gun" style shooting practice over just standing behind a bench at a range. Obviously not all of us can do that.
PLUM, the "run-n-gun" style of training will get your heart rate up, a mild stress inducer if you will. Is it the same as combat or a real gunfight, no, but short of being in combat or some very special training courses, its about the best you can do on your own. I've even thought about incorporating someone shooting blanks into the air at random to make it a little more like a 2 way range.
Hitting your target standing still with time to squeeze off that perfect shot and putting all the holes in a 2-3" group(or less depending on the weapon) at a specific distance is one thing, but you're not going to be able to do that under stress and/or on the run.
#43
I know several guys with laser grips.....they can't hit **** with the iron sights...and are not much better with the laser gris....
don't have skilz...and get a high speed do hickey to use as a crutch...is a waste of money cuz ya won't be able to shoot much better...
don't have skilz...and get a high speed do hickey to use as a crutch...is a waste of money cuz ya won't be able to shoot much better...
#44
What the **** over.....I guess you have been shot at a few times and know how you react to being on a 2 way range...
Want to bet you can talk tough **** all you want & in reality have no idea how your body/mind will act/react when you are on a 2 way range & get hit by the adrenaline dump & tachypsychia.......
******* internet tough guys....give em a pistol and they think they are John Wayne...
Want to bet you can talk tough **** all you want & in reality have no idea how your body/mind will act/react when you are on a 2 way range & get hit by the adrenaline dump & tachypsychia.......
******* internet tough guys....give em a pistol and they think they are John Wayne...
Take your ing ignorant *** somewhere else ya knuckle ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐
Last edited by RSWORDS; 06-24-2011 at 11:42 AM.
#45
#46
For lack of steering this convo even further off track, do you forget to breath when in those situations? It's muscle memory rampy. How many ******* Soldiers who are 18 years old going to combat for the first time still perform under pressure? Almost all of them, and that's not because they have been shot at or in a gunfight before, it's because they are well trained. Spend many hours at the range, training in CQC, making their weapon their best friend.
By your logic, any random Joe that spent their tour without leaving the wire, but had rounds land close to them will win in a gunfight against someone who spends many hours slinging lead downrange... That really makes sense doesn't it? And in my opinion that IS having been shot at.
And for the record, I don't claim or have any way of knowing when or if I will ever be in a situation where I need my sidearm, but I do know I spend hours upon hours making my carry guns my best friends. I learn them in and out, and know how to shoot ALL of my guns. Like every gun owner should do. And that doesn't mean I spend all those hours at the range. Dry runs drawing and bringing the sights down on a certain point. Different locations, lighting and scenarios. And I know and I am confident that if ever need be, I will be prepared.
And for the sake of this family at DB, shut the **** up and dot act like your **** doesn't stink. What works for you, may not work for me. There's a million ways to skin a cat and not one single way is the best. Please get that thru your thick ******* skull. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good productive argument, one that will end with beneficial results, and your tact on subjects doesn't end with those.
By your logic, any random Joe that spent their tour without leaving the wire, but had rounds land close to them will win in a gunfight against someone who spends many hours slinging lead downrange... That really makes sense doesn't it? And in my opinion that IS having been shot at.
And for the record, I don't claim or have any way of knowing when or if I will ever be in a situation where I need my sidearm, but I do know I spend hours upon hours making my carry guns my best friends. I learn them in and out, and know how to shoot ALL of my guns. Like every gun owner should do. And that doesn't mean I spend all those hours at the range. Dry runs drawing and bringing the sights down on a certain point. Different locations, lighting and scenarios. And I know and I am confident that if ever need be, I will be prepared.
And for the sake of this family at DB, shut the **** up and dot act like your **** doesn't stink. What works for you, may not work for me. There's a million ways to skin a cat and not one single way is the best. Please get that thru your thick ******* skull. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good productive argument, one that will end with beneficial results, and your tact on subjects doesn't end with those.
The following 2 users liked this post by smokeeaterlb7:
FordDZLMan9191 (06-23-2011),
PLMCRZY (06-23-2011)
#47
Since I was not addressing you smokeeat your points are not valid...
was addressing somebody who has never owned a pistol before...has no real knowledge or skilz...and was going to go with a hipoint as a primary handgun/concealed carry pistol.
Ever read The Art of War...or On Combat and On Killing...they set you up for the mindset you need...you can have muscle memory but not the mindset to use that muscle memory...or the mindset to deal with the aftermath of taking a human life. It's easy to talk the talk, but when push comes to shove many people are not mentally prepared to take a human life..
Why do you think PTSD and suicide are at an all time high with both active duty military as well as prior service military...you should know that being stationed at Ft Carson....look at the programs you have for returning troops....
Remember your 1st structure fire, a real working fire, not training, but a cooker where you could not see anything & it felt like you were in a oven...where you forgot about skip breathing..and sucked down a tank as your pulse was rocking...was that all muscle memory...training...mindset or a combination along with being part of a team...and not out on your own...
Oh and for your info....my morning sit-down really stunk....and not in a good way....the 1st time I was shot at was not pleasant & the 1st time I ever had to shoot at somebody was shaking so hard I'd have never hit a barn door from the inside of the barn.....and the mental aspects were hard to deal with...as well as what it was like smelling & tasting death....but after reading On Combat & On Killing I learned that what I went through and was dealing with was normal, just wish somebody had told me years earlier........
was addressing somebody who has never owned a pistol before...has no real knowledge or skilz...and was going to go with a hipoint as a primary handgun/concealed carry pistol.
Ever read The Art of War...or On Combat and On Killing...they set you up for the mindset you need...you can have muscle memory but not the mindset to use that muscle memory...or the mindset to deal with the aftermath of taking a human life. It's easy to talk the talk, but when push comes to shove many people are not mentally prepared to take a human life..
Why do you think PTSD and suicide are at an all time high with both active duty military as well as prior service military...you should know that being stationed at Ft Carson....look at the programs you have for returning troops....
Remember your 1st structure fire, a real working fire, not training, but a cooker where you could not see anything & it felt like you were in a oven...where you forgot about skip breathing..and sucked down a tank as your pulse was rocking...was that all muscle memory...training...mindset or a combination along with being part of a team...and not out on your own...
Oh and for your info....my morning sit-down really stunk....and not in a good way....the 1st time I was shot at was not pleasant & the 1st time I ever had to shoot at somebody was shaking so hard I'd have never hit a barn door from the inside of the barn.....and the mental aspects were hard to deal with...as well as what it was like smelling & tasting death....but after reading On Combat & On Killing I learned that what I went through and was dealing with was normal, just wish somebody had told me years earlier........
Last edited by Ramprat; 06-23-2011 at 12:57 PM.
#48
#49
I see your points, I honestly do but you know as well I do the points I was trying to make, a well prepared soldier is better than one fresh off the streets. Not saying that just going to the range will prepare you for the situation using your sidearm, but being familiar with it and know how to use if will make you MORE prepared. That's all.
---AutoMerged DoublePost---
Bucket truck, your making a very good decision on getting the XDm. You will not be disappointed. Just as I have said, know that gun inside and out and be prepared to use it if the need arises.
BUT remember that just cause you have a gun in your hands, doesn't always give you the leg up.
---AutoMerged DoublePost---
Bucket truck, your making a very good decision on getting the XDm. You will not be disappointed. Just as I have said, know that gun inside and out and be prepared to use it if the need arises.
BUT remember that just cause you have a gun in your hands, doesn't always give you the leg up.
Last edited by smokeeaterlb7; 06-23-2011 at 09:04 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
The following users liked this post:
Ramprat (06-23-2011)
#50