Yeah the early Gen 4's had some issues...

When I was EST (SWAT) we carried the issue M9 Beretta...however, having trained & done some exercises with rather high speed federal guys..and they almost all used the 1911..and were using Sig's if not 1911's...have also seen lots of 1911's on deployments carried by guys who would be classified as high speed low drag...

What pistol does the guys who protect the President carry....one clue..it's not a Glock...:tu:

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A quick Google provided this....do not know how accurate it is & it's a little over a year old..now it does not prove anything more than gee whiz factor..and I know a couple guys on different PD's who carry 1911's but they are not on the list (and they are Western states) any my local SO is not on the list & they can carry the 1911....



List of 362 Agencies that allow 1911 carry

List of 362 Agencies that allow 1911 carry 1of2 - 1911Forum

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Only if you are a winner...and/or want to win :tu::tu::tu:

I don't hate the tupperware gun {GLOCK}, I just like the safer more accurate & better looking gun in the 1911:jump:

It's not a 1911 either. :tttt:



Tacoma PD issues the Kimber Carrys as the approved sidearm.

Some are carrying 1911's.....not many, but yep they do have a presence in/around the White House... & Regan carried a 1911 while in office as the President & told the Secret Service something to the effect that he could help them if needed...:c::c::c:

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Nope, don't hate the glock either...it's just like the ubber fat chick....somebody's got to love on em, even if it's only after dark....:scare2::scare2::scare2:

I have SIG, GLOCK, H&K, WALTHER, BROWNING, BERETTA, CZ, but nothing is as good as the 1911. :humm:

I'd be willing to bet that the secret service carries whatever the hell they feel like for a given day?

I think not, too many rules about which gun they can use:humm:

You loose the bet.

Secret Service standard issue is/was either the Sig P229 in 357 SIG or the FN Five-Seven in (obviously) 5.7x28.

As with nearly every other high level military/LE division, I would imagine a few agents probably have been tested and cleared to pack a 1911 variant, as well as other weapons....the exception, not the rule.

I've always liked this guys opinons. He is very unbiased and manufactures are even sending him firearms to test and review. He is a Glock fan but have seen him praise the HELL out of some other models from other people.


Oh and for the "Glock is not accurate" crowd...

Glock 23 (Compact) at 230 yards

Glock 27 (Sub-Compact) at 230 yards.

You don't see glocks at competition where you can use any gun you want

What kinda comp?

I see them at 3 gun all the time, they are also equally used at our Practical Pistol comps as any other brand.

Is a 1911 all worked over the tack driving king, Yep... Is the glock a great PD gun, Yep...

If all I did was target practice and wanted to shoot one hole groups then a 1911 would be my favorite. But thats not what I shoot.

The only gun worth having is an accurate gun

Very true,

Difference between accurate and precise.

A Glock is accuarate a 1911 worked over is VERY accurate

also 1911 come in all different caliber from 22 to 50.

:D

I don't think I'll be carrying a .22 or a .50 for CC anytime soon. :D

lol ..because they did such a bang-up job the first time. sorry had to...

Shame Regan never got a chance to pull the 1911 and shoot....

However, point still stands....no president has ever carried a glock....but one of he greatest presidents carried a 1911....

Secret Service does not carry glocks...

So how can the glock be such a great gun when it does not protect the most powerful man in the free world...:humm::humm::humm::humm:

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If you have never read this...then read it...

SAFETY WARNING! Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!

Lots of fail here....but bottom line is the glock went bang due to a worn out holster getting leather in the trigger guard....if that was a gun with a frame mounted safety such as a 1911 it never would have gone bang...:humm:

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My 1911 won't attack me:nope: Glock shot it's own owner:scare2::scare2::scare2:

Funny thing is......that's not the 1st time a Glock has shot it's owner.....:jump::jump::jump::jump:

The only time I have a glock for self-defense, is when I go A T V riding:humm:I have a GLOCK 19 in the trunk of my A T V, if my A T V sink in a mud hole & muddy water gets in aww it only a glock, it it gets scratched with all the tools & steel tow cable, it's only a glock, it has no collector value, it won't rust, & since it doesn't have a frame mounted safety, I don't keep a bullet in the chamber:nope::nope::nope:

So because someone was using worn out/broken equipment and not paying attention to what he was doing... Its the guns fault? He even admits its his fault for using worn equipment and that he had to use caution when holstering it because it was so worn. So not the guns fault, the owners... like every othe ND.


EDIT: And after reading the story its does not make sence to me... He rotated left to buckle his seat belt then back right... While doing this with my gun (un loaded) it causes the end of teh barrel to push into the seat, pushing the gun OUT of the holster, not forward to pull the trigger like needed. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, I'm gonna keep trying...

EDIT 2: Maybe his "gut" pushed down on the back of the gun when he turned back causing it to hang on the worn holster.

It wouldn't have happen with a 1911:nope::nope:

I wont argure that.... but.... it wouldn't have happened if the owner had used common sence... The #1 saftey in all guns...

Bottom line is I see no gun failure, just a holster/user failure.

Martin, bring your 1911... I'll bring my Glock...


:D

I see a gun, that will fire if the leather holster gives a little:scare2::scare2: If you carry a GLOCK, then don't have a round in the chamber, cause it's not a 1911

Make sure you don't get shot by your glock:lolleft::spit::lol::D

I will, thanks for the words of wisdom buddy!

Bobby, I like guns, even glocks, but just know the evil of it's ways, that is all I'm saying:tu:

Martin, I wont say that a Glock is as safe or safer then a 1911. But to think that if you do your part like you should it will still go off is crazy. A gun is ony as safe as the person using it.

Like you I like all guns, My Glock fits my daily carry set-up well in the cooler months. I have other guns for other uses.

No gun will just go off:nope: MODERN guns only goes off when the trigger is pulled, I know you are responsible & will only pull the trigger when it's needed, but it's the kids that I worry about:humm:

No kids. If I did have kids it would be locked up.

Right now my wifes and my handgun stay on the bedside table at night. I actually have one of those bedside safes with the fingerprint reader that I bought for when some friends of ours come into town and stay with us, they have 3 small children. The wifes goes in the gun safe and mine goes in the bedside safe when they stay with us.

I hear you, I keep my CZ-75 by my night stand, with a loaded spare mag, cocked-n-locked:tu:

I'm more concerned that a couple big-time gun owners here are blaming a firearm instead of the dumbfuck owner.....

....shocking....then we wonder how gun opponents get leverage.
:argh:

Just saying there are idiots out there, that should not breed, When you buy a gun, you should know it's weakness & try to avoid it

Ever wanted to watch somebody die cuz they carried with a empty chamber...

If you do not want to watch a human killed due to his stupidity and carrying a weapon with a empty chamber then do not watch the video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1260862712
If you carry a pistol you must know your pistol and to not carry a round in the chamber is pure stupidity...

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The gun failed due to bad design...holster faild cuz it was old...user failed due to stupid human tricks..

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You should also know it's strengths and then train to exploit one and avoid the other...

I know guys who have carried 1911's for more years than I'm alive miss the thumb safety under stress, I have missed the extended thumb safety on my 1911's and a couple race guns I've shot under heavy stress...

I've read of people missing the thumb safety of 1911's in real world no shit full on adrenaline dump mode up against a bad guy....

The thumb safety of the 1911 can be a weak point...

Maybe it was Darwinism? He missed though....

I'll bet my next paycheck that I don't even miss the thumb safety on my Glock in a high stress environment. :D :w2: :c:

You bring up a great point though, fine motor skills get really hard to control under stress. Safety aside.... Studies show that statistically you wont be getting a great hit rate on what your shooting at when in a life and death situation. I want to say (and don't quote this) that on average its something like 40% hit rate at typical personal defence ranges... LIke I said, don't quote thatm I'm sure we can find the right number somewhere, thats just what seems to pop out to me as what I read.