The 1911 is the cat's meow, perfect in every way, If I couldn't have a 1911, I would go for a BROWNING HI-POWER, If it has to be a SA/DA then it'll be CZ-75:w2:

Ya'll can keep your 1911's that jam just by looking at anything resembling a CQ self defense round.

Ya'll can keep your 1911's that cost $2,000 just to sometimes shoot like a box stock P220, or a G21 with 4 boxes of decent CQ self defense cartridges and a 2-stage recoil buffer, and still exhibit random failure-to-whatever brain borks the likes of which are rivaled only by bat shit crazy women and the federal government.


Ya'll can keep your CZ-75 and....well actually that is a pretty damn good firearm right there. :tu:

Woza....this thread looks like a bunch of old lady's arguing over what is the best crocheting needle for doing a mid weight sweater....:s::s::s:

Everybody knows the best fighting handgun in the world in the 1911, the best hand grenade in the world is the Glock that 45ACP will kill at 500 yards if ya miss by 3 inches and 50rds of 9mm to the heart don't do a thing...

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Target handgun sure. If you have the money to throw away. If your going to use it in a combat situation then I'll use something that works better and does a better job without having to take it to a gunsmith to make it perform correctly in the first place.

x2 CZ makes some darn good guns. FN is another of my favorites. I'd choose either one over a true 1911 (or a Glock)

And Benjamin, trying to reason with Martin is a waste of time. I've had more enlightened conversations with a fence post.

I'm to understand you know nothing about 1911's......but pretend to know lots on the intertwebz about them...after all you have read a magazine or 2 along with a few web forums..:w2::w2::w2:

If the 1911 sucks so bad then riddle me why so many guys who's lives depend on having a working 2ndary that never fails or a handgun for a primary depend on the 1911....

Shall we play a game...I'll bring my box stock TRP....

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If I have to risk my C O J O N E S:scare2:, I'll have a 1911 with me:tu: No other gun I've shot will shoot as accurate as my CASPIAN 1911 or my DETONICS SCOREMASTER:yeah:

I would venture to guess that outside of U.S. citizens, not many people in the world do, nor have they ever thought about doing so.

Sort of the same reason people state Alvin York used a '03 Springfield when he was actually issued a 1917......can't be a famous AMERICAN war hero with a bastardized BRITISH rifle, just as no self respecting red blooded free American should besmirch the 1911 legend.

The 1911 is the best gun I have in my collection and I have a big collection

Ummm last I checked this board was inside the US and most members US citizens....who's talking about what pistol the Brits carry, or the Japs, or the Aussies...wait...they can't carry pistols...and are illegal for the people of those countries to own...unless you are a elite of said country....

Course teh Makarov is such a wonderful pistol in such a man stopping caliber...

Course the CZ is a Czech pistol and imported, so when it's banned and imported parts dry up they will make a great paperweight...


Don't forget the Sodjer boys in WWI using French machine guns that sucked goat balls...Sure at one point in history America was not the firearms leader they are now...but heck if America sucks so bad at weapon design/developement/invention/production nobody in the worl still uses the old M2 50cal MG letalone the 50 cal rifle in any military service...and the Kommies never developed a 51cal MG to mimick the American made/designed 50 cal...that's still in use...after they copied it...

I like my 1911 better than my hk p7m13 and Walter p88

You keep changing your story. Amusing.

I guess if all you ever want to shoot out of your gun is FMJ then it will do fine but even think about shooting a JHP of any kind and the 1911 will have issues. if you disagree with that statement then you have never shot JHP in a 1911....


BTW what that TRP goes for I could have bought 3 Glocks.....

For what I paid for my truck, I've could have bought 4 KIA:s: You have to pay to get the best gun for SAFETY, fighting & target shooting:tu:

Isn't there a reason LEO use Glocks? I'm not a pistol expert but if it shoots and ejects the casings I can't ask much more than that.

i am comparing 1 gun to another gun, not a diesel truck and a throw away car. if you have to resort to comparing a Ford to a KIA and that is all you got, then i feel sorry for you.

to make it fair, for what you paid for your truck, you could have bought 2 base model Dodge cummins trucks and done a far better job than the 6.4L you have will ever dream of and do it for a longer time. but we aren't comparing trucks, we are comparing a Glock to all the other inferior guns that you own.

COPS bought GLOCKS cause they were C H E A P :humm:

I wonder why in competition for big $$$ they use 1911:w2:

Funny....I'll need to tell that to the TRP....I've shot multiple brands of JHP's out of her..and never had a problem...230gr PMC Starfire are extremly accurate as are 230gr JHP Double Tap ammo...

And I'm not going to mention the Colt series 80 that has never had a problem feeding anything..not even the infamous flying ashcans.....

Do you drive a Kia....or a Hyundai....

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Yep.....

Gaston Glock is a marketing genius...way back in the 80's he all but gave them away to police departments/LEO agencies...almost broke even on selling em to the bean counters who cared more about the bottom dollar than anything...

Glock contunes to ths day to have a really low pricing for LEO agencies and if you qualify for the Homeland Security discount you can get them cheap...

He knew that the American public would look at the LEO's holster...and if it was good enough for a cop it's good enough for John Q Public...

So they charge you way more for the pistol than cops/cop shops pay...

Ever wonder how little it costs to make a glock...

Yep damn that's it! You have me dead to rights. I'm going to go cry now because of your hurtful speech.

I would like to know this, Let's see you copy that test using your holy venerable 1911. Think it will survive?

Better find a hurt feelings report...and forward it to site staff...:tttt::tttt:

You mean a torture test something like this 20,078 Round TRS Report - 1911Forum just cuz it's actually being shot..and shot and shot...

Or the fact that the 1911 pistol has seen 100 years of military service....you tell me...does 100 years of military service add up to a torture test...:humm::humm::humm:

I did still my Colt on a picture of the X wife...and 12 hours later the pistol was sill there & had not puked...or melted...

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neither, I drive a Dodge Cummins that will out last your powerbroke, but we aren't talking about trucks or cars in this thread it is about guns.

anyway, i am tired of typing. have fun with the thread, enjoy your 1911's i know i have. i have had 4 and sold 3 of them, I have had 4 Glocks and sold 2 of them. pound for pound, and dollar for dollar when comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges, the Glock is superior no matter how you look at it. If it takes buying a $1200 1911 to be able to shoot JHP then so be it, i'll take my $500 Glock that feeds anything i load in it. take a box stock 1911 that cost $500 and try to shoot JHP through it and see what happens. unless the frame is cut and a full ramped barrel in installed then it will NEVER reliably feed JHP.

All I know is that my 1911 is more accurate than my glocks & I have a glock with a FITTED BAR-STO barrel & a light target trigger:humm:

ever think the accuracy problem might be the shooter and not the gun?

Hmm, I can hit perfectly with my 1911, my glock is accurate, but not as accurate as my 1911:tu: Since I shoot my 1911 so good, I should be shooting the glock just as good, but I don't

Benji, you really believe the glock is more accurate than the 1911:s: You must be joking, cause if you do you'll lose your creditability:humm:

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Unofficial Glock Page

I have nothing against 1911s. They just don't do anything better than a Glock. They just happen to be a whole lot better looking. Go over to CompD and ask Big Swole how accurate a Glock can be.

I don't care what any of you say... Inline motors are more reliable, Cummins for the Win!!!


Oh wait... Wrong thread... :argh:

What credibility...that was lost way back when he said 1911's can't/wont fire JHP's without jamming...

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Cummings are great powerplants...shame they put em in a shitty dodge...:tttt::tttt::tttt:

Guess BENJI never had a 1911:nope: If there was a better fighting & target gun than a 1911 I would have bought it:humm: There are plenty of 1911 that are collectable, but no glock that are collectable:nope::nope:

if you are going to quote me quote me correctly...

and on the accuracy thing. let me explain this for the idiots on here that need 2 or more safeties on a gun to keep from a ND.

all guns have a different grip angles, grip width, different grip length, different trigger shape, different trigger types, different trigger pulls, different trigger creep etc.

I can shoot both of my Glocks very accurately. my 1911 not so much. my brother can shoot both my 1911 and my Glocks at the same accuracy. he is more proficient with more firearms than I am due to him apprenticing with a gunsmith and shooting almost every gun known to man all the time.

so if you can not shoot your Glock accurately, go practice. if i wanted to shoot my 1911 more accurately then i would go practice. every gun shoots different, so saying one is more accurate than the other is complete bias and ignorance. the gun is only as accurate as the person pulling the trigger. :c:

apparently not only can you not shoot a Glock accurately but you can't read either.... do i need to post up some pictures? BTW there are collectable Glocks, just so few of them you couldn't afford one if you ran across it. there are the Atlanta Olympic issued Glocks... those are the only ones that i know for a fact off the top of my head as being "collectable".... but there are more....trust me.... not to mention my legally imported Austrian built,Austrian Proofed 3rd gen G21. all others are built in Georgia, VERY few are imported completely assembled and proofed in Austria....

I have no argument about that statment at all. :D

The PRO that shoot for the B I G $$$ shoot a 1911:tu:

Anyhting can be accurate if ya put money into it...but glocks "claim to fame" is how great they are box stock....

Shame Glock has been having so many problems with the 4th generation pistols (and the later 3rd generation as they tend to share some parts) one that get shot lots...Glock LE reps are totally aware of the problems, strange they are keeping it so quiet...current Glock extractors have been problem ridden....they are also using more MIM parts to make em even cheaper...while charging you the same price..but so many other manufactures are also using MiM parts....

The S&W M&P is superior pistol when compared to the Glock...if Glock does not fix the issues they are having soon S&W will be a bigger player in the LEO pistol arena than Glock..

Don't ever forget.....every single handgun is superb in the safe/holster...it's when ya shoot em lots problems appear...and the normal LEO might if he/she's on a great department put 200 rounds downrage a year via the pistol....

ok... we were talking about self defense pistols, not paper punchers....

Funny thing here....you have pistol shooters and people who fight with a handgun...

Glock owners shoot targets...

1911 owners train to fight with the pistol....or win competition pistol matches...

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isn't that the same thing as shooting targets?

How many SWAT team use the glock:humm: They mostly use the 1911:humm:

All our guys around here use Sig, Glock, or HK..... I don't know of a single military or law enforcment group using 1911's. Not saying they don't, just not around here.

The 1911 is a great gun, to say different would be a lie. Is it the do all end all gun for everyone, no... No gun is.

Here....go read this link if ya want....read the entire thread....lots of good info...

Gen4 G19 experiment -- Lone Wolf extractor - Glock Talk

My G19 is a 2nd generation pistol, arguably the best generation of Glocks..have no idea how many thousands of rounds it's shot..it's finish has been trashed, night sights had to be replaced (by glock) and I've had my share of stoppages/jams and other problems...

If I had to reach for a fighting handgun knowing I was going into "battle" or a "gunfight" I'd always go with the Springfield TRP each and every time...

I once crossed paths with somebody that was pure evil...no humanity in him at all, escorted by 2 US Marshall's 24/7 & even with belly chains and leg irons my 1st thought was...wish I had the TRP instead of the Sig 239 (357Sig) and the 357Sig cartridge is no wimp at stopping bad guys.....