What Kind Of Self Defense Ammo Are You Using?
#41
12-22-2010, 02:31 PM
Considering nothing more than wound channels and blood loss, the perfect compromise would be a hollow-point bullet fired from a gun with enough ***/velocity to throw it clean through a feller. Let the bullet expand then knock a fist-sized hole out the other side of him!
In reality, that's not gonna happen with anything short of a high-powered rifle. I've sent hollow-point pistol bullets (300 grn Hornady XTP's @ 2400 fps at the muzzle, Savage smokeless powder muzzle-loader) clean through our big white-tail deer here and the exit wound is still only the size of your thumb. Not even deer slugs will do it. Now drop to a .30 cal bullet, cut the bullet weight in half and up the velocity to about 3500 fps and it's a whole other ball game! It'll knock holes the size of baseballs through a critter. The flesh just can't get out of the way fast enough.
BTW. That's one of the loads I made up for my .300 Weatherby Magnum. It produces nearly 50 ft-lbs of recoil in a 9 pound rifle. No concealable handgun would ever be able to come close to matching that kind of tissue damage. Physics won't allow it.
In reality, that's not gonna happen with anything short of a high-powered rifle. I've sent hollow-point pistol bullets (300 grn Hornady XTP's @ 2400 fps at the muzzle, Savage smokeless powder muzzle-loader) clean through our big white-tail deer here and the exit wound is still only the size of your thumb. Not even deer slugs will do it. Now drop to a .30 cal bullet, cut the bullet weight in half and up the velocity to about 3500 fps and it's a whole other ball game! It'll knock holes the size of baseballs through a critter. The flesh just can't get out of the way fast enough.
BTW. That's one of the loads I made up for my .300 Weatherby Magnum. It produces nearly 50 ft-lbs of recoil in a 9 pound rifle. No concealable handgun would ever be able to come close to matching that kind of tissue damage. Physics won't allow it.
#42
12-22-2010, 05:39 PM
I should have been more specific. Most center mass (which is were your trained to shoot in a SD situation, right?) GSW's with a typical SD type gun, (for arguments sake I'll say .45 and down) don't usually bleed externally much. Its the internal problems they cause that incapacitate the victim. Aside from that the human body can lose ALOT of blood and still function long enough to do harm to you, also a little blood goes a LONG way. If you shooting t make someone bleed out and die... well... your gonna be there a while.
#44
12-22-2010, 05:42 PM
Its amazing what the human body will do. I tool a guy to the hospital that put a 12ga in his mouth and pulled the trigger, draw a line from the corner of you mouth across the top of your ears... Everything above that line was gone. He lived all the way to the hospital and lived a few days on life support. Amazing how the body will react sometimes.
#45
12-22-2010, 05:55 PM
I should have been more specific. Most center mass (which is were your trained to shoot in a SD situation, right?) GSW's with a typical SD type gun, (for arguments sake I'll say .45 and down) don't usually bleed externally much. Its the internal problems they cause that incapacitate the victim. Aside from that the human body can lose ALOT of blood and still function long enough to do harm to you, also a little blood goes a LONG way. If you shooting t make someone bleed out and die... well... your gonna be there a while.
#46
12-22-2010, 06:40 PM
It is, and if you really think you will hit a T-shot or a head shot in a SHTF personal defense situation, well... Your probably gonna get your feelings hurt. I'm sure your a great shot, but when a target is running at you, moving around, your adrenaline is pumping, and the pressure is on... Well, I hope you get that head shot.
#49
12-22-2010, 08:40 PM
#50
12-22-2010, 08:56 PM
Diesel Bomber
I've seen a guy shot with a 240gr 44 Magnum out of a 6 inch barrel at contact distance...
It left a 44 caliber sized hole in his chest....and again in his heart......he died after a couple days....nobody ever found the bullet, but it never looked like it expanded at all.....
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See it a few times....but the people were brain dead and never put on life support of any kind..
The medulla oblongata can & sometimes will keep going long after the rest of the brain is dead and at room temp....
Had a young guy hang himself....he was brain dead....but the medulla kept him going and family though he would survive and recover....
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When I was a young, dumb and......along with being a military cop....attended a street survival seminar, in the book this picture, guy shot to doll rags & it still took 3 12ga slugs to bleed him out...he was dead, blind, heart turned to mush...both wrists broken...but trying to reload his revolver to shoot at the cops that killed him.
He was on angel dust....
It left a 44 caliber sized hole in his chest....and again in his heart......he died after a couple days....nobody ever found the bullet, but it never looked like it expanded at all.....
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Its amazing what the human body will do. I tool a guy to the hospital that put a 12ga in his mouth and pulled the trigger, draw a line from the corner of you mouth across the top of your ears... Everything above that line was gone. He lived all the way to the hospital and lived a few days on life support. Amazing how the body will react sometimes.
See it a few times....but the people were brain dead and never put on life support of any kind..
The medulla oblongata can & sometimes will keep going long after the rest of the brain is dead and at room temp....
Had a young guy hang himself....he was brain dead....but the medulla kept him going and family though he would survive and recover....
---AutoMerged DoublePost---
When I was a young, dumb and......along with being a military cop....attended a street survival seminar, in the book this picture, guy shot to doll rags & it still took 3 12ga slugs to bleed him out...he was dead, blind, heart turned to mush...both wrists broken...but trying to reload his revolver to shoot at the cops that killed him.
He was on angel dust....
Last edited by Ramprat; 12-22-2010 at 08:56 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
