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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wildcat
Tools are an investment, Plain and simple.

There is just NO other way to look at it.

If you USE your tool investment, they will pay for themselves VERY quickly, by saving you what others would charge you money to do.

You will be able to use them MULTIPLE times, not just on one truck, so to "Charge them off" on one vehicle or mod, would be pretty unfair.

To do 95% of the modifications to our trucks, you don't NEED $40K worth of tools.
Simple hand tools are usually enough, less than $1K.

BigDiesel359, If you have $40K in tools, and haven't SAVED yourself at LEAST $40K in labor cost alone by owning them, and using them, you either:


1). Don't use your tools to the potential of your investment in them.
1). Haven't owned them long enough.
3). Bought too many tools!


You should read the post again, I didn't say 40K for tools alone, That includes everything. The only way you can really say you saved on labour costs is if you don't value your own time. Take an oil change for example, my father can take his Toyota matrix into the dealer for regularly scheduled maintenance and it only costs him like $28 to get his oil and filter, plus the whole car washed and the inside vacuumed. If you were to buy these separately it would be much more, the car wash and vacuum would be $13-15 alone.

I'm not saying DIY is bad, sometimes it's more cost efficient to have it done by someone else, especially if you have it done while your at work making money. I'll be a DIY 'till I die just for the fact that I like having the knowledge of working on and fixing things, it's in my blood.

We are in the middle of painting the inside of the house and laying new floor, and this is a good DIY project because a monkey could do most of it and I'd take a weekend and do it myself instead of paying a "professional" monkey $30/hour or whatever to do it, it's not like we are in a rush, we'll work on it as time permits.

It's also very hard now-a-days to make something for less than it costs to buy it, and that's not going to get any better. (With the exception of some things)

In closing, I have no problem with DIY and I wish more people could have the skills to do more things around home, but that's not the case. In the meantime, I'm just goin' to keep on keepin' on and do my own thing and let everyone else do theirs.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wildcat
Well, There's a perspective from the other side of the fence...

Hey matt, do you EVER try to do something for yourself? If so, are you OK with being viewed negatively by someone who makes a living doing what you are trying to do for yourself? Can you hear their disapproval in their voice when you talk to them?

That said, I just want you to know I see your point in the example you made, and I don't condone the activity you are describing from the people you are dealing with.

If I need help, I'll ask for it. If there is a fee involved, I'll either go somewhere else, or I'll pay it. None of the chickenshit runnin' around thing...

Maybe the guy is trying to save a buck, maybe he doesn't have a buck to spend on it in the first place. If its the latter, I'd rather fault his method and not his circumstance.

Oh yeah I do stuff myself often, much like all the guys on here. I know my limits though and bring in the right people when it's called for. I guess my attitude stems from all the crap I've seen done where one guy thinks he did a great job and saved himself a ton of money but in reality he has put himself and others in a very dangerous situation, all the while badmouthing us for charging what we do to do it right.

My opinion might be on the far end of the spectrum just because of the nature of our work. I mean come on, it's just gas, fire, electricity, and fumes that kill you all wrapped up in a box inside your house. What's the worst that could happen if you don't know what your doing??

Don't get me wrong though, there are plenty of idiots out there masquerading as professionals that shouldn't be allowed to touch anything with a tool. My guess is that's why a lot of people turn to doing it themselves. All I can do is keep on doing what I do, and refuse to support the DIY'ers in my industry.
 
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