'06 F250 or '06 Ram 2500?
#21
12-23-2010, 08:09 PM
Diesel Bomber
If you're going to get a 6.0, there is a VERY HIGH possibility that no matter how you treat it, or how well you take care of it, you are going to have a blown head gasket, or more likely, a stopped up EGR (which can result in a head gasket problems).
I like the Ford truck a lot better, but if you get the 6.0, perform the same mods Scott@Alligator recommended, or you will be kicking yourself later on down the road. Just know that if you get the Ford, its going to take that extra money to get it to the same area of reliabilitiy (engine) that the Dodge has.
I'm a huge Ford fan, but at the same time, I don't let it make me be biased in my opinions. If your going to get a Powerstroke, try to get a 7.3. If you have to get a 6.0, get studs/EGR delete/oil cooler. And if you get a 6.4, at least get an EGR delete.
Yes all engines have their problems, but Ford has experienced drastically higher damages to their engines than Dodge has. The 6.0 was a CATASTROPHE of an engine, and destroyed much of the rep Ford had built up over 9 years with the 7.3.
IMO, if your willing to spend the money to get the 6.0 where it needs to be, go with it. But if your going in with the mindset of "if I take care of it it won't break", steer clear and go with the Dodge. There is a chance you could not have a problem out of the 6.0, but its not worth the risk IMO.
.02 of a huge ford fan
I like the Ford truck a lot better, but if you get the 6.0, perform the same mods Scott@Alligator recommended, or you will be kicking yourself later on down the road. Just know that if you get the Ford, its going to take that extra money to get it to the same area of reliabilitiy (engine) that the Dodge has.
I'm a huge Ford fan, but at the same time, I don't let it make me be biased in my opinions. If your going to get a Powerstroke, try to get a 7.3. If you have to get a 6.0, get studs/EGR delete/oil cooler. And if you get a 6.4, at least get an EGR delete.
Yes all engines have their problems, but Ford has experienced drastically higher damages to their engines than Dodge has. The 6.0 was a CATASTROPHE of an engine, and destroyed much of the rep Ford had built up over 9 years with the 7.3.
IMO, if your willing to spend the money to get the 6.0 where it needs to be, go with it. But if your going in with the mindset of "if I take care of it it won't break", steer clear and go with the Dodge. There is a chance you could not have a problem out of the 6.0, but its not worth the risk IMO.
.02 of a huge ford fan
#22
12-23-2010, 09:22 PM
Diesel Wrench
Not correct. They have in cylinder reburn. The exhaust valve closes before TDC on the exhaust stroke to keep some in for the next cycle. So the emissions are ground in to the lobe profile.
Changing the cam is the only way to remove the emissions on a CR cummins.
Changing the cam is the only way to remove the emissions on a CR cummins.
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#24
12-30-2010, 07:36 PM
By the time 2006 came around Ford had the 6.0 figured out.
My buddy has the first year of the 6.0 and just like Dodge and the 07.5 6.7L it was in the shop A LOT! He has since deleted the EGR, put a Banks 6 gun on it, and put a 5" TBE on the truck. His is a manual, but Ford builds pretty decent auto transmissions. My buddies truck has not been back in the shop since he deleted the motor. My Uncle also has a fleet of F350's with 6.0L's for the construction and hot shotting business. There is several hundred thousand miles on the trucks and the only problems is the turbos seem to go out around 150,000 miles.
Fords also need their front end rebuilt around 100,000 miles.
In the end, I would opt for your buddies LOADED Ford over the Dodge. If you go with the Dodge you are buying a Cummins in a Dodge pick up. Fit and finish on Dodge is not the best and is the reason they are usually 10-15K cheaper than Ford's and Duramax's. Since your buddy has owned the truck since new, ask him how many times it's been at the dealer, if you don't believe him, take the vin and go to the Ford Dealership and find out. 9 out of 10 trucks don't have any issues. The only one's you hear about are the 1 out of 10 that have the problems which could be owner induced, or that truck is just a Lemon.
If your buddies Ford has a good track record, I'd spend the money on the Ford. If you decide you don't like it, you'll probably be able to get the $28k back out of it for trading it in.
If you notice, I own a 2010 Dodge. I owned a 2003 Dodge as well. I like Dodge's because of the price tag and the Cummins motor. If money was not an issue, I would have owned a Ford in 2003. If money was not an issue, I'd still own my 2010 Dodge. Yes, that's how nice this first year body style of the 2010 Cummins RAM's are, they are the BOMB! They are up there with the King Ranch as far as the quality of interior. 2009 and prior Dodge interiors are not the greatest.
It's your money, but the wiser investment would be the Ford. Check NADA and KellyBlue book and check resale values if you don't believe me. Only downside to the Ford is you're going to have to learn how to drive the 30' long boat
My buddy has the first year of the 6.0 and just like Dodge and the 07.5 6.7L it was in the shop A LOT! He has since deleted the EGR, put a Banks 6 gun on it, and put a 5" TBE on the truck. His is a manual, but Ford builds pretty decent auto transmissions. My buddies truck has not been back in the shop since he deleted the motor. My Uncle also has a fleet of F350's with 6.0L's for the construction and hot shotting business. There is several hundred thousand miles on the trucks and the only problems is the turbos seem to go out around 150,000 miles.
Fords also need their front end rebuilt around 100,000 miles.
In the end, I would opt for your buddies LOADED Ford over the Dodge. If you go with the Dodge you are buying a Cummins in a Dodge pick up. Fit and finish on Dodge is not the best and is the reason they are usually 10-15K cheaper than Ford's and Duramax's. Since your buddy has owned the truck since new, ask him how many times it's been at the dealer, if you don't believe him, take the vin and go to the Ford Dealership and find out. 9 out of 10 trucks don't have any issues. The only one's you hear about are the 1 out of 10 that have the problems which could be owner induced, or that truck is just a Lemon.
If your buddies Ford has a good track record, I'd spend the money on the Ford. If you decide you don't like it, you'll probably be able to get the $28k back out of it for trading it in.
If you notice, I own a 2010 Dodge. I owned a 2003 Dodge as well. I like Dodge's because of the price tag and the Cummins motor. If money was not an issue, I would have owned a Ford in 2003. If money was not an issue, I'd still own my 2010 Dodge. Yes, that's how nice this first year body style of the 2010 Cummins RAM's are, they are the BOMB! They are up there with the King Ranch as far as the quality of interior. 2009 and prior Dodge interiors are not the greatest.
It's your money, but the wiser investment would be the Ford. Check NADA and KellyBlue book and check resale values if you don't believe me. Only downside to the Ford is you're going to have to learn how to drive the 30' long boat
#25
12-30-2010, 08:09 PM
Diesel Fan
I would go with the dodge because if you look at most major tractor brands they all run cummins and same way with semi's and if your gonna build it up I think the cummins is easier to work on. It cost a ton but hey horsepower ain't cheap for any truck. And I see alot of old cummins trucks with over 300,000 miles on them that still run good. But everyone has their opinions this is just mine.
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