Idiots!
 

I wrote a email to chevron corp.

Asked them if it was ok to add two cycle oil to my diesel fuel to lubricate my vp44.

The response was: Don't ever add two cycle oil to your fuel, use fuel injection cleaner.

What! What!

Nothing more to say or add, just sharing chevrons employees intelegence.

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High intelligence it is. Two-cycle oil has no place in a diesel engine.

sure it does
https://www.dieselbombers.com/altern...il-thread.html

I imagine that they legally wouldnt tell because the email could be saved and if any harm came from their advice then they could be held liable.

I see a whole lot of anecdotal discussion but no scientific research or reports from anyone in the petroleum R&D business.

Additives are completely unnecessary in the first place. Raw diesel has a minimum lubricity spec it has to meet and distribution stations add their own additives on top of it.
The entire "sulfur" scare is perpetuated by additive producers to sell more product.

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Mopar1973Man

Well Since DB.com has a 2 cycle oil thread I better get to work here...

Here we go... First off let me post my web site links...
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197..._cycle_oil.htm

Second off here is my Dyno results running 105:1 Ratio of 2 cycle oil and Diesel fuel.

Ok Gang!

I got more to report about conserning 2 cycle oil and HP/TQ numbers... Yes I got my truck on to the rollers and got to dyno it out... You all are going to be shocked with my numbers.

First off let me lay down some baseline information. You all have seen my web page on my BOMBs and MODs I've done. Ok... We all know that the 2002 Cummins SO is rated for 235 HP 460TQ at the flywheel.


Run #1 - Stock mode with Edge Comp Turned off.
228 HP - 462 TQ

Well this proves there is very little drag between the flywheel to the rear end. Also this proves there was very little change in HP/TQ number conserning 2 cycle oil. I'm using conventional Dino lubes in everything except the transmission which requires the Castrol SynTorque. But still even this number is high for HP/TQ at the rear wheels... 2 Cycle oil maybe???


Run #2 - Edge Comp turned on 5x5
379 HP - 831 TQ

Run #3 - Edge Comp turned on 5x5
381 HP - 826 TQ


Ok we all know the Edge Comp give about 120 HP on 5x5 seting but now do the math. 381 - 228 = 153 - 120 = 33 HP difference! Where did this power come from? I got no other fueling enhancements and only a BHAF and straight piped exhaust 3"... It's got to be the 2 cycle oil helping the burn.. So never the less I'm a extremely happy camper and will continue to use 2 cycle oil. I will report my ratio of mix here soon I need to pull the information from my fueling logs. I know I'm much lower that 128:1 because I added a full quart to my last fill up.




Read more: https://www.dieselbombers.com/altern...#ixzz0wxzCHZB9


How u like them apples!

Absolutely true. I would add that I don't normally go with "minimum" type measures when trying to meet some objective or standard with regard to the equipment I maintain and operate. I usually go for things more like "maximum" and "higher" when it comes to my engines, especially where power and reliability come into play.
Absolutely false. The entire sulphur scare comes about because of the EPA, the green lobby and their infinite wisdom about how to engineer diesel engines and their fuel systems. They also know alot about how to control air pollution with ethanol in fuel as well. :w2:

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Woohoo, someone knows whats up!

It would help if your site actually worked...

That proves absolutely nothing. "Knowing" it provides "about 120hp" is not proof it produces 120hp. What you've posted is known as speculation, not science.
If you expect your "test" to be taken seriously by people with functioning neurons you need to actually test the fuel, not guess.

Wrong.

You sure are.
Sulfur has zero to do with lubricity. Its the process of removing sulfur that alters it. What little is lost is more than made up for artificially by the refinery.

You and NadirPoint are far from it! Keep dumping money on useless crap, clearly I can't stop either of you with logic or scientific fact!

on the contrary herer forcedinduction, where is YOUR proof that it doesnt assist or help anythig in a diesel engine?? i see you telling everyone they are wrong, but you are showing us any SCIENTIFIC proof of you beign right.... so please enlighten me with your almighty wisdom (and of cour a link to a scientific study proving your argument:tu:)

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How about we keep this one on topic without all the drama?

Sounds good to me, I like reading a good bit of back and forth, but I cannot stand to see the drama that comes with it sometimes.

I sure wouldn't run anything that makes any claims to be a cleaner through my fuel every fill up either. If it's cleaner then in almost every single case it's also a drying agent of some sort that further depletes the minimal lubing affect of the fuel.

FORD said, DO NOT ADD ANY ADDITIVES TO THE FUEL OR OIL ON MY 2008 6.4 PSD:humm:

well these threads are so opinion based that it's not even funny, there is no scientific proof that really supports either argument either way, oil companies aren't going to say their fuel is insufficient at lubricating a fuel system/engine, and the additive people are going to say that fuel without their additive is insufficient at lubricating the fuel system/engine, it's simple business, and the 2 stroke oil is really a far fetched idea because the 2 stroke oil people don't make it to be used as a fuel additive for diesel engines

Tell your TRUCK DEALER that you're using 2-cycle oil in your fuel & see what they tell you:humm:

they would kiss your warrenty good bye. My buddy put 2 cycle oil is his 00 CTD to see what all the fuss was about, did it make the injection system quiter...no, did it make it his fuel economy go up...no, did it have more power...no. we came to the conclusion that he just donated money to the oil company for no arperant reason:argh:. running 2 stroke is a joke. unless bosch or some injection system manufacturer did a test using 2 stroke oil in fuel to find out if it works or not we will never know. If you dont think the fuel has good enough lubrication then buy an addative thats made for diesel fuel. Thats my two cents

I will say this no truck that is newer then 2007 should run 2 stroke oil. It is not needed. those trucks were designed for the ULSD. You will run the risk of voiding your warranty.
as far as older vehicles. 95cumminsgut is correct. there is real no significant gains. just like somebody using ATF oil to clean the system. use stuff that is meant for diesels Like Marvel Mystery Oil, Stanedyne, or lucas! some of those fancy fuel additive that you buy. are Bio-Diesel based. check manufacturing date if they have one. If they don't I would worry. Bio-Diesel has a very short shelf life.
I will admit I have run 2 stroke oil in my powerstroke will never do it again. It is a redneck Idea. I don't se a use for it now. It is your trucks. you figure it out.
Rustin

I know there are no scienctific test to back up two stroke oil but i know that i have ran it in trucks and tractors and i can tell they run smoother. As far as power and fuel economy i dont really know.

Also for it being a redneck idea dont knock it. just think rednecks and hillbillies have always been creating power from something before science ever proved it. take for example moonshine used for racing

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:D

Why must people add junk to their oil or fuel:td:

I wasn't trying to start drama. I Am curious to this entire topic as well. I would love to see proof one way or the other. Even if it has minimal benefits, would it be worth it??

thing is there is no proof from anyone other than people such as mopar1973man who has done his own "studies" and no offense to him, I appreciate his methods and he seems to be very good at stating his point, but as far as long term tests and "legit" companies testing them there is no proof to support theory's on 2 stroke, diesel power mag did a little test on it, but they only did a one tank run on every addative so it's hard to say, exxon, bosch, etc. has released no findings either way on additives or 2 stroke oil, not saying they haven't tested it, but if they have we don't know about it

I was adding 2 OZ. of ACETONE per 10 gallons of diesel into the fuel of my 1999 F250 7.3 & I didn't notice a big jump in the MPG:argh::argh:

This happens. people get passionate about their Riggs. So Drama naturally comes when trying to support an opinion. It must be hard for admin to keep control of a situation that is opinion based. Can't really stop it unless somebody is blatantly being disrespectful. This is a forum when matters of opinions are being said. You get what you asked for!
Keep asking questions! You will never know.
Rustin

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WOW ACETONE! Your brave! That stuff eats plastic and rubber!

I think it boils down to its your truck you do what YOU WANT to do or want to use. I know two stroke oil works on my diesels. I also know that I have tried numerous other name brand fuel additives and they did not preform. So what works for me may not work for you.

As far as the comment about adding "junk" to fuel and oil some people have older trucks that can not handle the fuel that we buy now. It is kinda like when they took lead out of gas they had to create additives to help the old automobiles function correctly.

Here is the web-site Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage

Some of you guys should do a little reading and get educated - 2 cycle oil does give a pretty good lubricity bump:

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fu...itive_test.pdf

http://www.johnfjensen.com/Diesel_fu...itive_test.pdf

2 cycle oil is better than:

1) Stanadyne
2) Amsoil additive
3) PowerService
4) Howes
5) Lucas
6) Milligan
7) FPPF
8) Marvel Mystery Oil (which BTW lowered the lubricity of baseline fuel)

2 stroke oil works, fact not fiction.

fixed that for ya.....:w2:

Can't add 2 stroke oil to the fuel of a 6.4:td::nope:

No you cannot - or any newer diesel for that matter

My 12V loves it though

Apparently I was the one starting drama, since somebody removed my post :td::td:

well I believe there's an article done by some European dude that states 2 stroke oil helps out the emissions system and makes it run better and such, I have no idea if anything he said was true or proven, but he was saying it helped, so I'll see if i can find that article so it doesn't sound like i'm just making stuff up

For some reason it came with a site that sold knives, and silicone grease. You might want to email it to me Dr. Evil.rand new Apple laptop and Network system I am finding out there are allot of sites that are not Mac friendly. I will not say use it nor dis courage it. I do know Stanadyne and Marvel. This is my opinion. as with everything else in this thread. Marvel has been the one that got me out of some bad fuel issues. So I will continue to use it. Like I said before I used 2 stroke oil for a time at least 3000k miles or more (in a powerstroke no doubt). I did not experience any change in the way the power-plant responded to it. nor did the fuel economy change. I do experience a difference with Marvel. But this is my truck and my experience. 12v might respond differently. Thanks Dr. Evil

I dont see anything wrong with a healthy argument amongst a group. It keeps the trend and the knowledge. Hearing another opinion or experience never was a bad thing. But if your gonna call someone out on proof, at lest provide the proof that what your saying is true.

As for me, i am just here to learn some stuff and better my knowledge, but running 2 stroke in some engines makes sense. I can see where it would improve lubrication on the injectors, and injection pumps, and therefore prolong the life of these parts. I could also see where it wouldn't help performance or mileage. I would like to know what benefits, if any running two stroke has. Even minimal benefits could be worth it in the long run.

I have yet to hear of anyone using it in a Duramax