Diesels bad reputation depending on the driver?
#11
Why would you make such a statement? What has a bicyclist done to you?
And the same goes for the types that think it's cool to dust (or smoke) off a prius or other small economy car!!
I happen to own a compact for work, a Scion XD. It's perfect for the work I do, the places I go and the mileage I put on daily (ranging from 150-500/day).
I also have an 89 FJ62 Landcruiser Wagon. A big, heavy, 9.5 mpg 4x4 machine that drives the eco-types crazy
So when you smoke someone like me out, you may be smokin' out a brother diesel fan.
I also agree with everyone else. Although I don't own a diesel (yet), I'm looking and will within the next year (want to pay cash for it).
Smoke is not power.
We as a whole MUST change the way we think about such things.
The diesel most people relate to, are the big rig, smoke pouring highway trucks of the past.
Todays diesels are as clean as gassers, some moreso
Doing stupid chit like purposely making smoke, especially heavy smoke, in public, smoking out bikers (or bicyclist), open air cars and Prius drivers, is not only stupid and dangerous, but in most places ILLEGAL!
We are our ownh worst enemy. We're ruining the reputation of everyone by such unnecessary antics
And, if you cause an accident, you risk losing your freedom and everything you've worked for financially, in a law suit!
Doesnt quite seem worth it to me.
We have to put our differences aside. Just because some Prius driver (I'd have one of those too if I could have afforded it when I needed it!) doesn't think diesels are eco-friendly, doesn't mean that we have to be chit heads to them?
The old 2 wrongs don't make a right seems to be applilcable here.
We have the same issues in the off road and boating communities
Boaters blasting through no wake zones, airboaters (I'm a federally certified airboat skipper as well) dusting off families at the ramp, blowing through heavilly populated river front/lake front areas late at night, no sound abatement, etc., off roaders not content to use the trails already established, all have worked to the govenments advantage in establishing laws prohibiting hours of operation, speeds and have resulted in the closure of some areas entirely to anything other than a hiker!
And as was previously mentioned, the TUNERS need to take a responsible and proactive role in this!
These devices creates an unlawful and potentially hazardous situation. Ask your attornies about vicarious liability
And all the waivers and notices on the box, probably won't do you any good in court, since it's relatively easy to determine to whom and why these systems are sold.
Once plaintiffs counsel gets past the initial objection and defense, it's pretty much a slam dunk.
Most people know nothing about a diesel except what they see on the road and on tv.
We need to set the example, before the government does it for us
Sorry for the rant
And the same goes for the types that think it's cool to dust (or smoke) off a prius or other small economy car!!
I happen to own a compact for work, a Scion XD. It's perfect for the work I do, the places I go and the mileage I put on daily (ranging from 150-500/day).
I also have an 89 FJ62 Landcruiser Wagon. A big, heavy, 9.5 mpg 4x4 machine that drives the eco-types crazy
So when you smoke someone like me out, you may be smokin' out a brother diesel fan.
I also agree with everyone else. Although I don't own a diesel (yet), I'm looking and will within the next year (want to pay cash for it).
Smoke is not power.
We as a whole MUST change the way we think about such things.
The diesel most people relate to, are the big rig, smoke pouring highway trucks of the past.
Todays diesels are as clean as gassers, some moreso
Doing stupid chit like purposely making smoke, especially heavy smoke, in public, smoking out bikers (or bicyclist), open air cars and Prius drivers, is not only stupid and dangerous, but in most places ILLEGAL!
We are our ownh worst enemy. We're ruining the reputation of everyone by such unnecessary antics
And, if you cause an accident, you risk losing your freedom and everything you've worked for financially, in a law suit!
Doesnt quite seem worth it to me.
We have to put our differences aside. Just because some Prius driver (I'd have one of those too if I could have afforded it when I needed it!) doesn't think diesels are eco-friendly, doesn't mean that we have to be chit heads to them?
The old 2 wrongs don't make a right seems to be applilcable here.
We have the same issues in the off road and boating communities
Boaters blasting through no wake zones, airboaters (I'm a federally certified airboat skipper as well) dusting off families at the ramp, blowing through heavilly populated river front/lake front areas late at night, no sound abatement, etc., off roaders not content to use the trails already established, all have worked to the govenments advantage in establishing laws prohibiting hours of operation, speeds and have resulted in the closure of some areas entirely to anything other than a hiker!
And as was previously mentioned, the TUNERS need to take a responsible and proactive role in this!
These devices creates an unlawful and potentially hazardous situation. Ask your attornies about vicarious liability
And all the waivers and notices on the box, probably won't do you any good in court, since it's relatively easy to determine to whom and why these systems are sold.
Once plaintiffs counsel gets past the initial objection and defense, it's pretty much a slam dunk.
Most people know nothing about a diesel except what they see on the road and on tv.
We need to set the example, before the government does it for us
Sorry for the rant
Last edited by SAR Pirate; 11-08-2009 at 08:50 AM. Reason: wording/content
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#12
I find it real stupid that all the kids around me ask me how to make alot of smoke, a few of them have gotten tickets for excessive smoke, its a real good way to cause an accident and its dumb as hell. Thats why i refuse to help them untill they have something better in mind than just to make smoke, why not just put a glob of grease in your muffler and itl smoke all you want.
If you were to go drive my truck right now it would barely even make a haze only in-between the shifts cause i dont de-fuel inbetween them, other wise it is as clean as a stock diesel. why cause smoke is not power.
and you know what it will run a 12.9 in the 1/4 at in street trim.
If you were to go drive my truck right now it would barely even make a haze only in-between the shifts cause i dont de-fuel inbetween them, other wise it is as clean as a stock diesel. why cause smoke is not power.
and you know what it will run a 12.9 in the 1/4 at in street trim.
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#13
Have a look over the pond- no smoking freight trucks because the worse the pollution the higher the highway toll. Actually they are cleaner than the gas cars. Trucks have Emission class 5( better) against Emission class 4 (worse)in gas operated cars. You will get this too sooner or later!
#14
Black smoke is truly wasted fuel. A diesel engine is a complete combustion engine when properly tuned. Smoke be it white or black is nothing more than something out of proper adjustment. Personally (if I could afford it) the only smoke from my truck would be that from the tires loosing traction from all the horsepower from a properly "tuned" engine. Although that can be expensive . From buying new tires (which mine needs) to paying reckless driving fines, Dang skinny pedal.Oh well thats my $.02
#15
ive had friends that bought their diesel trucks because they "were tired of bieng smoked out by the big diesel trucks" so they get one throw a tuner on it so they can smoke the other people out? i just doesn't make any sence to me, yeah mine will smoke when i want it to but do I, no and im only 23, still young so some. its that mentality that makes it hard for all of us, they think that just because the ricer next to them is revving thier engine they have to black out the whole intersection?!? just confusing to me, i like my money in my pocket for other mods for my truck rather than in the air blowing in the wind!
#17
ive had friends that bought their diesel trucks because they "were tired of bieng smoked out by the big diesel trucks" so they get one throw a tuner on it so they can smoke the other people out? i just doesn't make any sence to me, yeah mine will smoke when i want it to but do I, no and im only 23, still young so some. its that mentality that makes it hard for all of us, they think that just because the ricer next to them is revving thier engine they have to black out the whole intersection?!? just confusing to me, i like my money in my pocket for other mods for my truck rather than in the air blowing in the wind!
Most of us, at some point are still young, or at least young at heart. Otherwise, there would be no Diesel Bombers, no tuners and we'd all be driving stock trucks just for thier utility ().
There's a time and place for everything.
When I had my Vette and my 2000 Z28, neither of them were slow
But there's a time and place for roasting the tires...an intersection red lights not it.
Same with the whole smoke issue.
#19
well im by no means a "tree hugger" but i do care about the environment, and it is getting that bad. Idaho is really cracking down now, if you leave a cloud of black smoke you will get a ticket. this is just a starting point to more strickt rules that ruin the fun for all diesel enthusiasts.
#20
well im by no means a "tree hugger" but i do care about the environment, and it is getting that bad. Idaho is really cracking down now, if you leave a cloud of black smoke you will get a ticket. this is just a starting point to more strickt rules that ruin the fun for all diesel enthusiasts.
sounds like its coming from a tree hugger... its not that bad...
They put thier money where thier mouths are and lobby thier politicians for legislation.
We have the same issues with the airboaters that think it's thier "heritage" to be allowed to run like fools when and wherever they want, just because the can
They come to town hall, law enforcement and community meeting dressed in jeans and T-shirts, bitchin' and complaining about losing thier "heritage" rather than presenting a calm, well thought out, supported rebuttal
The homeowners and eco types in the meantime, come at least in slacks and polos, present arguements like professionals and try to prove thier point with fact.
Right or wrong, who do you think the politicians are going to listen to?
Damn! Even the Outlaws and Hells Angels figured out it was easier to do crime when well dressed and running "legit" businesses than it was ripping through the countryside terrorizing and threatening everyone
They "legitimized" and got away with a lot more a lot longer.....