H&S stops manufacturing on ALL products
#21
11-15-2012, 07:54 AM
I think im gonna stock up on these products for when the canadian government say "whow maybe we should do the same as our neighbours to the south eh." 
until then i am in total control of my engine. I think federal govmt needs to pull the reigns on these little state agencies and look at redirecting those funds back into strenghthening the economy cause h&s creates manufaturing jobs and dealers who supply those products to us also stimulate the economy. Check out canadian dealers they may still have a large inventory of products.
until then i am in total control of my engine. I think federal govmt needs to pull the reigns on these little state agencies and look at redirecting those funds back into strenghthening the economy cause h&s creates manufaturing jobs and dealers who supply those products to us also stimulate the economy. Check out canadian dealers they may still have a large inventory of products.so what I don't understand is how can the EPA shut down a company that makes kits for "off-road" use, and IIRC requires the end consumer to sign an affidavit stating they are using it on an "off-road" vehicle.
unless H&S installed these at their shop where a truck was driven in off a public road and left on a public road I do not see them as being liable. the END user is the one to blame. they knowingly installed the DPF delete kit on an ON-road vehicle after stating that they were installing it on an "off-road" vehicle. there are too many individuals for them to go after and make it worth their while.
and for those saying to lay off ATS because the letter was never sent that threw H&S under the bus.... i am 99% sure once it surfaced on the internet the EPA was well aware of it.... all because H&S was hurting their bottom line.... it makes me almost want to remove my ATS flex plate.... almost... for the principal of the matter....
here is a great example, there is a GREAT exhaust shop here in town, they WILL NOT remove a CAT off a car unless they replace it with another. BUT they will do a catless exhaust IF you trailer the vehicle up there without a tag on it and with "drag" style tires installed as proof that it is an "offroad" vehicle and have the customer sign the receipt stating it is an "off-road" vehicle and emissions exempt. so unless EPA can PROVE that H&S sold and marketed these specifically to on-road trucks and willingly sold them for use on those vehicles or installed these on on-road use vehicles the EPA legally has no leg to stand on, IMHO....
unless H&S installed these at their shop where a truck was driven in off a public road and left on a public road I do not see them as being liable. the END user is the one to blame. they knowingly installed the DPF delete kit on an ON-road vehicle after stating that they were installing it on an "off-road" vehicle. there are too many individuals for them to go after and make it worth their while.
and for those saying to lay off ATS because the letter was never sent that threw H&S under the bus.... i am 99% sure once it surfaced on the internet the EPA was well aware of it.... all because H&S was hurting their bottom line.... it makes me almost want to remove my ATS flex plate.... almost... for the principal of the matter....
here is a great example, there is a GREAT exhaust shop here in town, they WILL NOT remove a CAT off a car unless they replace it with another. BUT they will do a catless exhaust IF you trailer the vehicle up there without a tag on it and with "drag" style tires installed as proof that it is an "offroad" vehicle and have the customer sign the receipt stating it is an "off-road" vehicle and emissions exempt. so unless EPA can PROVE that H&S sold and marketed these specifically to on-road trucks and willingly sold them for use on those vehicles or installed these on on-road use vehicles the EPA legally has no leg to stand on, IMHO....
They can shut them down because H&S has some responsibility in knowing where their product is going, even with the waivers being signed. It sucks, but it's the way it is. They announced yesterday they will continue to keep making products, but NO tuning devices now.
#23
11-15-2012, 12:39 PM
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11-15-2012, 02:14 PM
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11-15-2012, 02:46 PM
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#28
11-15-2012, 05:52 PM
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On Cumminsforum, they have a thread with all the updates for the h&s products and Smarty too... http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=548400 its in there somewhere.
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#29
11-15-2012, 05:55 PM
FormerVendor
#30
11-16-2012, 10:54 AM
Diesel Wrench
so what I don't understand is how can the EPA shut down a company that makes kits for "off-road" use, and IIRC requires the end consumer to sign an affidavit stating they are using it on an "off-road" vehicle.
unless H&S installed these at their shop where a truck was driven in off a public road and left on a public road I do not see them as being liable. the END user is the one to blame. they knowingly installed the DPF delete kit on an ON-road vehicle after stating that they were installing it on an "off-road" vehicle. there are too many individuals for them to go after and make it worth their while.
and for those saying to lay off ATS because the letter was never sent that threw H&S under the bus.... i am 99% sure once it surfaced on the internet the EPA was well aware of it.... all because H&S was hurting their bottom line.... it makes me almost want to remove my ATS flex plate.... almost... for the principal of the matter....
here is a great example, there is a GREAT exhaust shop here in town, they WILL NOT remove a CAT off a car unless they replace it with another. BUT they will do a catless exhaust IF you trailer the vehicle up there without a tag on it and with "drag" style tires installed as proof that it is an "offroad" vehicle and have the customer sign the receipt stating it is an "off-road" vehicle and emissions exempt. so unless EPA can PROVE that H&S sold and marketed these specifically to on-road trucks and willingly sold them for use on those vehicles or installed these on on-road use vehicles the EPA legally has no leg to stand on, IMHO....
unless H&S installed these at their shop where a truck was driven in off a public road and left on a public road I do not see them as being liable. the END user is the one to blame. they knowingly installed the DPF delete kit on an ON-road vehicle after stating that they were installing it on an "off-road" vehicle. there are too many individuals for them to go after and make it worth their while.
and for those saying to lay off ATS because the letter was never sent that threw H&S under the bus.... i am 99% sure once it surfaced on the internet the EPA was well aware of it.... all because H&S was hurting their bottom line.... it makes me almost want to remove my ATS flex plate.... almost... for the principal of the matter....
here is a great example, there is a GREAT exhaust shop here in town, they WILL NOT remove a CAT off a car unless they replace it with another. BUT they will do a catless exhaust IF you trailer the vehicle up there without a tag on it and with "drag" style tires installed as proof that it is an "offroad" vehicle and have the customer sign the receipt stating it is an "off-road" vehicle and emissions exempt. so unless EPA can PROVE that H&S sold and marketed these specifically to on-road trucks and willingly sold them for use on those vehicles or installed these on on-road use vehicles the EPA legally has no leg to stand on, IMHO....
