So much for the CAI. . .
#1
02-15-2013, 10:35 PM
So much for the CAI. . .
So I was gonna head er out to the shop I have a good relationship with to rig up the CAI for my 94 powerstroke.
trouble is, she won't go. this morning she cranked but did not fire, at all. it was -24C or so, and the block heater is kaputski (also on the list for this weekend) so i wasn't surprised.
anyway, I plugged in the little circulating heater it has (that won't keep up too well anyway) and left for work. got home today, tried to start it up. Click click from the solenoids, nothing.
a solenoid is 24 bucks,so i figured, fuggit, I'll buy another, lets not **** about.
still nothing.
starter has power to it, so I'm figuring I fried the starter cranking it cold this morning.
any other ideas? cause a starter for this thing is gonna put me back probably 3-400 bucks.
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well, it's not fixed, but I bump started the bitch with a chev truck.
she did not want to go, but she went regardless.
about to drive it out to the shop and work on it tomorrow once it warms up here.
trouble is, she won't go. this morning she cranked but did not fire, at all. it was -24C or so, and the block heater is kaputski (also on the list for this weekend) so i wasn't surprised.
anyway, I plugged in the little circulating heater it has (that won't keep up too well anyway) and left for work. got home today, tried to start it up. Click click from the solenoids, nothing.
a solenoid is 24 bucks,so i figured, fuggit, I'll buy another, lets not **** about.
still nothing.
starter has power to it, so I'm figuring I fried the starter cranking it cold this morning.
any other ideas? cause a starter for this thing is gonna put me back probably 3-400 bucks.
---AutoMerged DoublePost---
well, it's not fixed, but I bump started the bitch with a chev truck.
she did not want to go, but she went regardless.
about to drive it out to the shop and work on it tomorrow once it warms up here.
Last edited by Slim Whitey; 02-15-2013 at 10:35 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
#3
02-18-2013, 12:16 AM
was the starter. batteries load tested fine, believe it or not (they're from 02, I **** you not. if it weren't for the next piece of info, I'd have optimas on order. 
)
I ended up taking out the armiture of the starter. nabbed a used one from a 99 F450 (I owe the shop owner big time).
Now, it cranks, puckers, does not start. in a heated shop.
glo plugs work.
fuel is good.
which pretty well leaves, well, 8 little expensive pieces of engineering.
which I can't afford anyway.
)I ended up taking out the armiture of the starter. nabbed a used one from a 99 F450 (I owe the shop owner big time).
Now, it cranks, puckers, does not start. in a heated shop.
glo plugs work.
fuel is good.
which pretty well leaves, well, 8 little expensive pieces of engineering.
which I can't afford anyway.
#4
02-18-2013, 04:33 PM
Diesel Bomber
before you go that route, check for codes. Get back to the basics. check fuse for fuel pump and fuel heater (if it has one). How much fuel ya got? when were fuel filters changed last? gelled fuel a real possibility. Get some 911 and add to the fuel. if there is any water in the fuel separator, it will freeze and keep fuel from circulating through the lines.
#5
02-18-2013, 11:46 PM
Ha, haha, ha, heehee, hoho, ahaaa, hhaaa....
back to basics indeed.
(this is gonna be a long one, just lettin ya know)
got the new starter in, scanned it, no codes (well, 152 for "air circuit voltage" or some ****. unrelated, and irrelevant, since that massive damn filter from napa went on anyway later).
I am insanely paranoid, however, of open intakes. first engine I ever worked on with the old man when i was about 6, I accidently dropped a nut into the intake and he did not notice. needless to say, we (I) took out that motor. So, when we had the Y pipe off the intake, I had put some paper towel into the ports to keep **** from fallin in, packed up the scanner, and went to bed after scanning it.
Buddy came in with me this morning, sat down and went
"tested the starter?"
"nope"
"k" and cranks it over. . .
and it fires right up, no issues.
2 seconds later I realize what he just did and frantically get him to shut it off.
not that it mattered. shoulda let him run the goddamned thing.
anyway, now we're proper fucked. because it hasn't been sucked through and burnt off yet. half of it is trapped halfway through the heads.
so, after an hour of trying to pull off the intake ports, he sits down in the truck and goes "fuggit, we'll ether the bitch. it'll start, that paper towel will hit those cylinders and it'll be in sweet sweet oblivion in milliseconds."
fair enough, he's the mechanic. I pound ****** nails. I just play at this every so often because I can't afford the labour rates.
So we ether it, it starts. run it, etc. runs fine.
he gets in, shuts it down after a bit.
30 minutes later, (we were also doing a bit of front end work, bearings and joints, those went pretty well, actually. which is a new thing when working on one of my vehicles) we try to start it again.
no dice.
now, after work for the past 3 days, we've been doing a full on "House" marathon. first 5 seasons. So, he sits in the drivers seat, exasperated, and says "long crank time/no start...have to ether it...always gotta ether it....long crank time since he bought it...how much fuel ya have when ya bought it?"
"bout a 1/4 in both tanks, filled the front, left the rear, then filled the rear, you get it"
"from where?"
"esso"
hm...
gets that Hugh Laurie look on his face, gets out, opens the rear tank fill cap, smells it, nothin. opens the front, takes a good solid inhale, right near falls over.
"well...*cough cough* theres yer problem!"
I smelled that fuel and I right near fell over too. so rotten. no idea how, besides the fact that maybe when I filled up the front tank the old **** fuel the PO had in it was all mixed in and it finally decided to take it's tole. I really don't know. alls I know is, that **** smelled some kinda bad.
He gets back into the truck, swaps to the rear tank, truck fires up confidently after some cranking.
so, back to basics indeed. bad fuel is a bitch.
we dumped a bottle of diesel charge in, and he looks at me and says "that tank gets used on the highway, at speed, and that's it. run it pretty well gone and we might not have to drop the tank".
I was gonna test the ICP/IPR and injectors first, by the way, before I just dumped 2 grand on **** I maybe didn't need. :P
BTW: I run Howes in every tank, and once a month I run a bottle of Wynns Diesel charge. was sold on the stuff when a guy came in with a 6.0L running like a bucket of smashed ********, and we poured a bottle of that in, ran it hardish, and he hasn't been back since. He phone a few weeks later and said "so uh, how often should I run that **** through my truck for when i need it again?"
also, fuel filter was new last week.
oil change is next week.
and I still, after the 3rd time, have not tracked down the fuel leak. pump to filter housing hose is new, fuel heater return hose is new (least I think it's a return, it's new anyway and not leaking), fuel heater O ring is back in, and I cannae see where she's pissin from now cap'n.
it's definitely something up top though, because it's leaking into the valley and down the back of the motor, and I think it's been doing it long and badly enough now where I've done in the clutch from it, because above 1700rpm, I get a load of clutch slippage, and taking off is a bit of a whoorbag too. So I gotta track down this ****** fuel leak next.
only thing I noticed besides the excessive clutch slipping while i was driving hime was that the motor sounds more "cracky" than it did before. It's got more of that GM 6.5L "crackrackrackrack" while it runs. which, to my always paranoid mind, means that a chunk of paper towel is still clinging to life in some unknown oil galley or something and starving the top end of one side or something equally retarded.
back to basics indeed.
(this is gonna be a long one, just lettin ya know)
got the new starter in, scanned it, no codes (well, 152 for "air circuit voltage" or some ****. unrelated, and irrelevant, since that massive damn filter from napa went on anyway later).
I am insanely paranoid, however, of open intakes. first engine I ever worked on with the old man when i was about 6, I accidently dropped a nut into the intake and he did not notice. needless to say, we (I) took out that motor. So, when we had the Y pipe off the intake, I had put some paper towel into the ports to keep **** from fallin in, packed up the scanner, and went to bed after scanning it.
Buddy came in with me this morning, sat down and went
"tested the starter?"
"nope"
"k" and cranks it over. . .
and it fires right up, no issues.
2 seconds later I realize what he just did and frantically get him to shut it off.
not that it mattered. shoulda let him run the goddamned thing.
anyway, now we're proper fucked. because it hasn't been sucked through and burnt off yet. half of it is trapped halfway through the heads.
so, after an hour of trying to pull off the intake ports, he sits down in the truck and goes "fuggit, we'll ether the bitch. it'll start, that paper towel will hit those cylinders and it'll be in sweet sweet oblivion in milliseconds."
fair enough, he's the mechanic. I pound ****** nails. I just play at this every so often because I can't afford the labour rates.
So we ether it, it starts. run it, etc. runs fine.
he gets in, shuts it down after a bit.
30 minutes later, (we were also doing a bit of front end work, bearings and joints, those went pretty well, actually. which is a new thing when working on one of my vehicles) we try to start it again.
no dice.
now, after work for the past 3 days, we've been doing a full on "House" marathon. first 5 seasons.
So, he sits in the drivers seat, exasperated, and says "long crank time/no start...have to ether it...always gotta ether it....long crank time since he bought it...how much fuel ya have when ya bought it?""bout a 1/4 in both tanks, filled the front, left the rear, then filled the rear, you get it"
"from where?"
"esso"
hm...
gets that Hugh Laurie look on his face, gets out, opens the rear tank fill cap, smells it, nothin. opens the front, takes a good solid inhale, right near falls over.
"well...*cough cough* theres yer problem!"
I smelled that fuel and I right near fell over too. so rotten. no idea how, besides the fact that maybe when I filled up the front tank the old **** fuel the PO had in it was all mixed in and it finally decided to take it's tole. I really don't know. alls I know is, that **** smelled some kinda bad.
He gets back into the truck, swaps to the rear tank, truck fires up confidently after some cranking.
so, back to basics indeed. bad fuel is a bitch.
we dumped a bottle of diesel charge in, and he looks at me and says "that tank gets used on the highway, at speed, and that's it. run it pretty well gone and we might not have to drop the tank".
I was gonna test the ICP/IPR and injectors first, by the way, before I just dumped 2 grand on **** I maybe didn't need. :P
BTW: I run Howes in every tank, and once a month I run a bottle of Wynns Diesel charge. was sold on the stuff when a guy came in with a 6.0L running like a bucket of smashed ********, and we poured a bottle of that in, ran it hardish, and he hasn't been back since. He phone a few weeks later and said "so uh, how often should I run that **** through my truck for when i need it again?"
also, fuel filter was new last week.
oil change is next week.
and I still, after the 3rd time, have not tracked down the fuel leak. pump to filter housing hose is new, fuel heater return hose is new (least I think it's a return, it's new anyway and not leaking), fuel heater O ring is back in, and I cannae see where she's pissin from now cap'n.
it's definitely something up top though, because it's leaking into the valley and down the back of the motor, and I think it's been doing it long and badly enough now where I've done in the clutch from it, because above 1700rpm, I get a load of clutch slippage, and taking off is a bit of a whoorbag too. So I gotta track down this ****** fuel leak next.
only thing I noticed besides the excessive clutch slipping while i was driving hime was that the motor sounds more "cracky" than it did before. It's got more of that GM 6.5L "crackrackrackrack" while it runs. which, to my always paranoid mind, means that a chunk of paper towel is still clinging to life in some unknown oil galley or something and starving the top end of one side or something equally retarded.
Last edited by Slim Whitey; 02-18-2013 at 11:49 PM.
#7
02-19-2013, 06:10 PM
I don't think it's that bad. I get about 8mpg in town and about 16 down the highway.
what it IS doing, I think, is running down the bellhousing and soaking the clutch. because now I'm running into clutch slip above about 1700 rpm. just started it last night on the drive home, but it's definitely slipping. gotta dry the thing out and I'll be fine I think. odd that it just started, but the leaking was worse after I put the fuel heater back on without an O ring to the fuel filter housing.
put one on and it's all good at the heater, but might still be leakin. I don't know for sure though, need to clean out the valley really good and then run it to see. hard to do when it's -30 out though, and you don't have a heated garage, currently.
if this all seems really convoluted, it's because, well, it always is with my vehicles. it's never "oh well, you're not starting, so here's the issue". It kinda was with my old dodges, since I knew those pretty well. mostly my fault, since I jump from issue to issue without too much knowledge.
ah well, learn by fire.
what it IS doing, I think, is running down the bellhousing and soaking the clutch. because now I'm running into clutch slip above about 1700 rpm. just started it last night on the drive home, but it's definitely slipping. gotta dry the thing out and I'll be fine I think. odd that it just started, but the leaking was worse after I put the fuel heater back on without an O ring to the fuel filter housing.
put one on and it's all good at the heater, but might still be leakin. I don't know for sure though, need to clean out the valley really good and then run it to see. hard to do when it's -30 out though, and you don't have a heated garage, currently.
if this all seems really convoluted, it's because, well, it always is with my vehicles. it's never "oh well, you're not starting, so here's the issue". It kinda was with my old dodges, since I knew those pretty well. mostly my fault, since I jump from issue to issue without too much knowledge.
ah well, learn by fire.
#9
02-19-2013, 10:18 PM
think I will.
less slippage tonight, but still pretty bad. glad taxes are gettin filed next week, and that it only takes a few days. or I'd be out a vehicle very quickly it'd seem.
but doing the clutch doesn't fix the fuel leak...I have the next 12 days off here after tomorrow. and it WILL be found during that time, it WILL be fixed during that time, and I WILL have a properly running truck after that time.
if it kills me.
actually, that reminds me, the same truck I stole the starter from has a ZF 6 speed in it...how hard is one of those to bolt up, and is it a worthwhile upgrade?
less slippage tonight, but still pretty bad. glad taxes are gettin filed next week, and that it only takes a few days. or I'd be out a vehicle very quickly it'd seem.
but doing the clutch doesn't fix the fuel leak...I have the next 12 days off here after tomorrow. and it WILL be found during that time, it WILL be fixed during that time, and I WILL have a properly running truck after that time.
if it kills me.
actually, that reminds me, the same truck I stole the starter from has a ZF 6 speed in it...how hard is one of those to bolt up, and is it a worthwhile upgrade?
#10
02-19-2013, 10:43 PM
Diesel Enthusiast
