So am I getting this right rattler - you are a Ford tech driving a Dodge?

That might take some 'splainin'!!

 

Negative but I work on anything that rolls in the door... Anything from lawn mowers through 5 ton trucks. Buddy of mine has a shop I work at on the side.

 

By who? Designed by Ford, easy to remove for a tech. Anyone with a lift can do it. Heck I've seen guys get real creative and use two fork lifts, also seen guys use portable air jacks to remove it just high enough to get in there. If you have a lift it's not difficult at all, but I understand not everyone does.

It takes less time to yank a cab on a 6.0 and do a head swap than it does to just swap injectors alone on an LB7. There's a truck that wasn't designed to have the cab off, take a stab at what the book calls for hour wise on 8 injectors, or even a turbo swap. Obviously the inline 6 is going to be the easiest, not arguing that in any way.

You can do ANYTHING on a 6.0 without removing the cab. Taking the cab off is just the easiest and least time consuming way. The 6.4 they SAY you need to take the cab off for certain things, but that has also been proven wrong by quite a few. The 6.4 is a different beast and there are definitely things I would simply NOT want to have to remove with the cab on, however if need be, it CAN be done.

As for the line service charge, I highly doubt it. Like I said, most of the good 6.0 techs can have a cab off in 45 minutes, thats far quicker and easier than pulling the motor out the front or trying to wrestle around with the cab on, it's cheaper/easier/quicker that way.

 

Right. And anyone with a socket set and a screwdriver can fix a truck, too.

Ford? Right again. Why don't you just admit those things became too complicated and difficult to work on, and that was the only way FORD would ever be able to perform warranty service without losing boatloads of money in labor hours?

 

The Ford guys are good at pullin the cab because they have to do it every 6 months or so, just sayin. I guess it wouldn't be a big deal if every guy who wants to work on thier own stuff had access to a lift.

 

(mdub) It has been to two different dealers. I have to say this truck belongs to the company I work for I was just looking to see If there was a tech here that knew why this seems like a never ending problem. It started with over heating when regen. That led to a loss of 4 radiators. This came to two different cab removals. I don't know what this vertical horizontal oil crap is. But after that it lost the turbine at 50k. (second dealership)Then oil cooler then oil was in the antifreeze. Then a cab removal for head problem. Then cab removed again because it didn't last. (back to first dealer) Gaining oil gets cab pulled for motor work again. Now it is heading back again for bucking and fluttering. I may have missed some stuff.

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Oh yeah, the water pump and the 3 mufflers because of the burn offs and power steering pump.

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Thanks for the input tho.

 

I did read somewhere that there's a class action lawsuit regarding the 6.0 might wanna check into that and dump that crap.

 

My 6.4 is 3 years 2 months old with 48,500 miles, the only thing it has done was the check engine light turn on, it was the DPF, I drove it hard & the light went away, guess I cleaned the DPF driving hard

 

I never said anyone can fix it, but what difference does that make? Not everyone can fix their pedal bike either. None of the V8 diesels are easy to work on, but so what? Buy something else if it doesn't suit your fancy. I don't mind working on my 6.0 at all. Again, you don't HAVE to take the cab off, but it does make it quicker and easier? Why is it a bad thing that Ford designed it in such a way to save money on labor?

Again, you don't HAVE to remove the cab, just makes it quicker and easier. I can do almost anything to my 6.0 in cab that any cummins driver could do to theirs as well. Probably about the only thing I couldn't do is a cam swap, but the engine would have to be pulled completely for that on a 6.0.

I hear ya man, I've been through 5 different dealers with my 6.0 and never left one of them satisfied. I am doing all my own work now and it's amazing how much easier it is on me, and how much better the truck is. Your situation sounds like they're throwing parts at it and not actually diagnosing the root cause, but it's hard to say. You didn't have 3 mufflers replaced, my guss is they were the DPF's that were replaced. Also the radiator's were a common issue on the job1 trucks. That issue has been resolved so if you're still having issues you have something bigger going on. You'd probably be better off dropping the thing off somewhere where they know how to work on them, like Rudy's, or @ Hallers. Guys who work on these things day in and day out and aren't trying to get Ford's warranty money for it. The real problem lies with the system of warranty repairs. Ford gives them so many hours to do a job, but that typically won't include any actual diagnostics time, so most of that comes out of the tech's pocket. Where's the motivation for the tech to do the job correctly?

Ok? How does this help at all? He drives a 6.4, not a 6.0.

 

My point was it seems like they forced themselves into that design, by way of the increasing complexity and difficulty in maintenance procedures - to the detriment of anyone who may want to work on them, besides their dealers. Forklifts? Really?

It's no surprise people driving Powerstrokes will be suffering cognitive dissonance on this topic for the foreseeable future. Those attempting to work on them with the cab installed may be suffering something else.