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#21
02-14-2011, 02:21 PM
Laugh all ya want to Zippy, but when your jaw stops hurting from laughing call a REAL diesel shop and you'll find out that when they plane a head the reduction in deck height can be made up for, by using a thicker gasket. It's done all the time in blower engines on race cars..........and YES - on diesels too.
I built the winning engine for the 1985 Baja 500 spring classic race, so until you've done something similar THEN be quiet and listen to others. When they cut the head on a $25,000 600hp Cat diesel what do you think they do to make up for it? Toss it in a dumpster? Use bondo? Masking tape???
Call any Felpro rep and ask him if Felpro makes different thickness head gaskets for the SAME engine.
He who listens and watches others LEARNS. He who closes his eyes and ears and makes stupid comments remains stupid forever!
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Forums are a great place to learn something, but you have to be "intelligent" enough to want to!!!
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Anytime compression becomes a concern a qualified engine shop can o-ring the deck, but it does require machining an o-ring groove in the block's deck. The o-ring then presses up on the gasket and makes for a much tighter seal with the head.
ALL top fuel (and other) dragsters use this method to seal the 40+ pounds of boost these engines develop.
I built the winning engine for the 1985 Baja 500 spring classic race, so until you've done something similar THEN be quiet and listen to others. When they cut the head on a $25,000 600hp Cat diesel what do you think they do to make up for it? Toss it in a dumpster? Use bondo? Masking tape???
Call any Felpro rep and ask him if Felpro makes different thickness head gaskets for the SAME engine.
He who listens and watches others LEARNS. He who closes his eyes and ears and makes stupid comments remains stupid forever!
Definition: "Intelligent Quotient" (I.Q.) = The ability to learn.
Forums are a great place to learn something, but you have to be "intelligent" enough to want to!!!
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Anytime compression becomes a concern a qualified engine shop can o-ring the deck, but it does require machining an o-ring groove in the block's deck. The o-ring then presses up on the gasket and makes for a much tighter seal with the head.
ALL top fuel (and other) dragsters use this method to seal the 40+ pounds of boost these engines develop.
No one is questioning your background. He asked who made thicker gaskets for the 6.0...? Also I didn't know a 6.0 powerstroke was in the 1985 spring classic baja, cause I thought that's what we were talking about? I probalby know more about building Honda 450R ATV motors than you, but it doesn't qualify me to give exacts on a different engine... sure the same principles apply, but come on, we all know each and every motor has their quirks and little hidden secrets that you never know until you dig in and tear them apart and rebuild them.
The minimum thickness requirement on the head comes directly from FORD. So if you want to argue who has done more in motorsports, you should call them and argue. I'm literally just regurgitating info from FORD. I will try and dig up the actual minimum thickness requirement on this.
Got it, MINIMUM HEAD THICKNESS PER FORD: 3.74" Has nothing to do with what gasket you're using.
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#22
02-14-2011, 02:56 PM
He spent more time trying to belittle people and send himself personal accolades than He did providing any actual useful 6.0 information ,,,,I hope That long **** shpeel about how smart He is was is a paste and copy from a document He keeps on his desktop for every time someone contradicts him or ask for more info .. I would hate to think he wrote that from scratch just for us ?
because I stopped reading that garbage at "Laugh"
ps it is more common to O-ring the head than the block on a 6oh
but you wouldn't know that because you just bought your first diesel ( dodge and it's in the shop cough .. get used to it )
because I stopped reading that garbage at "Laugh"
ps it is more common to O-ring the head than the block on a 6oh
but you wouldn't know that because you just bought your first diesel ( dodge and it's in the shop cough .. get used to it )
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#23
02-14-2011, 03:04 PM
It's not common to do either, and if you're on any of the big powerstroke sites, you'll see the BIG HP 6.0's do NOT have o-rings... I've heard more bad stories about o-rings on 6.0's than good, but it's tough to say because it could be machine shop error too. The point is, with good flat heads, a good flat block, gaskets and studs, there are a few 6.0's PAST the 1000rwhp mark and holding.
#24
02-14-2011, 07:24 PM
right you are .. but before you do a block o ring the heads are easier to o ring
liberator does them as do others but most common is a check and deck ,, and not 1 of the big 6oh head guys offers a thicker gasket that I can find ( why I asked for the Rod guy to find us some useful info ) ,, what they offer is a dumpster if the head is past spec
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I called a major resource for 6.0 heads and they stated 10 thou is the max they shave and that Black Onyx gaskets are thinner by a bit than the OEM .. they can rework the heads to accommodate the more the head is surfaced ,, but there were no thicker gaskets available to accomplish this nor would they be desirable
and look I provided facts without trying to tell anyone how awesome I am
liberator does them as do others but most common is a check and deck ,, and not 1 of the big 6oh head guys offers a thicker gasket that I can find ( why I asked for the Rod guy to find us some useful info ) ,, what they offer is a dumpster if the head is past spec
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I called a major resource for 6.0 heads and they stated 10 thou is the max they shave and that Black Onyx gaskets are thinner by a bit than the OEM .. they can rework the heads to accommodate the more the head is surfaced ,, but there were no thicker gaskets available to accomplish this nor would they be desirable
and look I provided facts without trying to tell anyone how awesome I am
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#25
02-14-2011, 08:54 PM
An engine is an engine. It's all intake-compression-power-exhaust. It's hilarious to me when some doofus won't work on a particular car or truck because it's "foreign", or whatever. An engine is an engine.
Know of any car or truck that's not "foreign"??? I sure as heck don't.
If you want to argue about parts then hop on the phone, burn a few hours and do your own sourcing. I don't have enough time to look for everything I need, let alone searching for stuff you need..........but over-stock thickness head gaskets ARE out there, because I've used them.
Just because YOU haven't heard of something or used it doesn't mean it's not available - does it? I guess maybe it does, considering your attitude!
Know of any car or truck that's not "foreign"??? I sure as heck don't.
If you want to argue about parts then hop on the phone, burn a few hours and do your own sourcing. I don't have enough time to look for everything I need, let alone searching for stuff you need..........but over-stock thickness head gaskets ARE out there, because I've used them.
Just because YOU haven't heard of something or used it doesn't mean it's not available - does it? I guess maybe it does, considering your attitude!
#26
02-15-2011, 07:39 AM
An engine is an engine. It's all intake-compression-power-exhaust. It's hilarious to me when some doofus won't work on a particular car or truck because it's "foreign", or whatever. An engine is an engine.
Know of any car or truck that's not "foreign"??? I sure as heck don't.
If you want to argue about parts then hop on the phone, burn a few hours and do your own sourcing. I don't have enough time to look for everything I need, let alone searching for stuff you need..........but over-stock thickness head gaskets ARE out there, because I've used them.
Just because YOU haven't heard of something or used it doesn't mean it's not available - does it? I guess maybe it does, considering your attitude!
Know of any car or truck that's not "foreign"??? I sure as heck don't.
If you want to argue about parts then hop on the phone, burn a few hours and do your own sourcing. I don't have enough time to look for everything I need, let alone searching for stuff you need..........but over-stock thickness head gaskets ARE out there, because I've used them.
Just because YOU haven't heard of something or used it doesn't mean it's not available - does it? I guess maybe it does, considering your attitude!
Thanks again for another useless post. The fact is, for a 6.0 powerstroke you really just don't know if thicker headgaskets are available.
In theory an engine is an engine, but theory and the real world don't always line up. My turbocharged diesel engine doesn't share a lot of stuff that my twin cylinder two stroke powervalve snowmobiles do...
I'll work on pretty much anything because at the end of the day it's all just nuts and bolts, but you can't sit here and tell me all engines are the same.
So you've actually built a 6.0 powerstroke and have used thicker gaskets, it should be pretty easy for you to tell us where to get them...
#27
02-15-2011, 12:27 PM
Apparently thicker gaskets are available!
they are made by a company called
Unobtainium Incorporated out of Urassa Mississippi
but I can't find a link
Kidding aside I tried to find some just for the hell of it and not one lead ,,but a bunch of threads on it not being a good idea if they were available and they are not produced
My attitude ..
they are made by a company called
Unobtainium Incorporated out of Urassa Mississippi
but I can't find a link
Kidding aside I tried to find some just for the hell of it and not one lead ,,but a bunch of threads on it not being a good idea if they were available and they are not produced
My attitude ..
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