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Turbo's on IDI'S WHY?????

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Old 04-23-2012, 08:45 PM
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To the OP, more performance and better fuel economy.

Originally Posted by jmac5058
They lowered the compression on the factory turbo models , adding a turbo to a non turbo is the problem.
Same compression ratio, just not much boost.
 
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OP im not sure what that is?

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What am I confusing you on sir?
 

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the only reason cummins and the other diesel engine manufacturer's are using big boost numbers is due to the huge quench area in the piston.... therefore if you attemt to run a 12v or 24v with out the turbo... you would have crap for power ... there comp. ratio minus turbo input (Dry/with out fuel) 12v/24v is like 15:1 which is called static cmpression (means without influence... ie boost) , when you add the extra atmospheric pressure from the turbo you end up with higher pressure, as if you had more comp ratio .. ending in the 21:1 area....

on the other hand our IDI's have like 18-20:1 comp ratio so there is less quench ( big bowl in piston) so by adding boost you are infact over pressuring the cylinder a bit.... thats why if your gonna go turbo ( more that 3-6 psi ) you should get some pistons that will handle the extra pressure as well...... if you just stud the heads and new gaskets... its still a ticking time bomb.... if you over due it.... 3-7 psi is normal in the turbo motors due to the quench in that peticular models they were made for that amount of boost.... but you can get away with a lil more ... just dont get retarded and try for like 25 psi... you will find your heads in your hood....

in all turbos just make an engine more efficient....unless the builder never intended the engine for extra added cyl pressure... then ticking time bomb...
 

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This thread makes me want to shoot myself in the head. Are some of you guys just guessing about this stuff? If not I'd like to know where your getting these numbers....
 
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apparently you need to drive one mine was made factory with one on it and i bet it would run circles around ya
 
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Originally Posted by 4x4manonbroke
the only reason cummins and the other diesel engine manufacturer's are using big boost numbers is due to the huge quench area in the piston.... therefore if you attemt to run a 12v or 24v with out the turbo... you would have crap for power ... there comp. ratio minus turbo input (Dry/with out fuel) 12v/24v is like 15:1 which is called static cmpression (means without influence... ie boost) , when you add the extra atmospheric pressure from the turbo you end up with higher pressure, as if you had more comp ratio .. ending in the 21:1 area....

on the other hand our IDI's have like 18-20:1 comp ratio so there is less quench ( big bowl in piston) so by adding boost you are infact over pressuring the cylinder a bit.... thats why if your gonna go turbo ( more that 3-6 psi ) you should get some pistons that will handle the extra pressure as well...... if you just stud the heads and new gaskets... its still a ticking time bomb.... if you over due it.... 3-7 psi is normal in the turbo motors due to the quench in that peticular models they were made for that amount of boost.... but you can get away with a lil more ... just dont get retarded and try for like 25 psi... you will find your heads in your hood....

in all turbos just make an engine more efficient....unless the builder never intended the engine for extra added cyl pressure... then ticking time bomb...
Dude your smoking some pretty good stuff!!!!! Where did you read this??? Or when did you dream this???
 
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Originally Posted by 4x4manonbroke
the only reason cummins and the other diesel engine manufacturer's are using big boost numbers is due to the huge quench area in the piston.... therefore if you attemt to run a 12v or 24v with out the turbo... you would have crap for power ... there comp. ratio minus turbo input (Dry/with out fuel) 12v/24v is like 15:1 which is called static cmpression (means without influence... ie boost) , when you add the extra atmospheric pressure from the turbo you end up with higher pressure, as if you had more comp ratio .. ending in the 21:1 area....

on the other hand our IDI's have like 18-20:1 comp ratio so there is less quench ( big bowl in piston) so by adding boost you are infact over pressuring the cylinder a bit.... thats why if your gonna go turbo ( more that 3-6 psi ) you should get some pistons that will handle the extra pressure as well...... if you just stud the heads and new gaskets... its still a ticking time bomb.... if you over due it.... 3-7 psi is normal in the turbo motors due to the quench in that peticular models they were made for that amount of boost.... but you can get away with a lil more ... just dont get retarded and try for like 25 psi... you will find your heads in your hood....

in all turbos just make an engine more efficient....unless the builder never intended the engine for extra added cyl pressure... then ticking time bomb...
Like how you put this better than I could....
 
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Originally Posted by 4x4manonbroke
there is less quench ( big bowl in piston)
Right. In IDI engines the "bowl" is in the cylinder head, a far worse place.

Whats sad is the first gen 5.9 Cummins needs 18psi of boost to make 15hp less than the non-turbo 7.3IDI and only 15lb/ft more torque.
 
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Whargoul
Right. In IDI engines the "bowl" is in the cylinder head, a far worse place.

Whats sad is the first gen 5.9 Cummins needs 18psi of boost to make 15hp less than the non-turbo 7.3IDI and only 15lb/ft more torque.
Not bad for only having six cylinders and only being 5.9L
 


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