Veggie Oil Conversion?
#33
I've ran a 7.3 on SVO for years, it ran great, it showed no difference in power, it saved me tones of money in diesel. It did less harm than diesel to our earth. Its all about taxes and levies and profits that make it a "NON FUEL" Period.
So the notion it isn't a fuel? That's like saying power from a solar panel isn't electricity because you didn't pay for it, it didn't come from an outlet.
Safety? Hmmmm IF you dribble WVO on the floor, the dog will lick it up, If you dribble diesel, get prepared to call the HAZMAT team. Try lighting a charcoal brick with SVO and one with diesel, which will light first?
The diesel coated one.... so which is more dangerous? Ever get diesel in the eye? HOOOOOOOBOY it hurts, SVO? It's like vaseline, you don't have to panic to get it out.
OK if the first "diesel" was meant to run on "coal dust" (we were taught peanut oil) then he smartened up and ran the second on..... Peanut oil!
IS SVO a perfect replacement for diesel? NO! Neither is the ultra low sulfer fuel they call diesel. SVO has its issues, biodiesel too.
But if you have a shop where you can work on your system, filter your oil, have knowledge and tools to build and maintain your system, and have the drive to be different...... Than SVO may be for you. If you wish to be a chemist and convert it to Boidiesel, then you must have the space, and knowledge, and drive to do that too.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
So the notion it isn't a fuel? That's like saying power from a solar panel isn't electricity because you didn't pay for it, it didn't come from an outlet.
Safety? Hmmmm IF you dribble WVO on the floor, the dog will lick it up, If you dribble diesel, get prepared to call the HAZMAT team. Try lighting a charcoal brick with SVO and one with diesel, which will light first?
The diesel coated one.... so which is more dangerous? Ever get diesel in the eye? HOOOOOOOBOY it hurts, SVO? It's like vaseline, you don't have to panic to get it out.
OK if the first "diesel" was meant to run on "coal dust" (we were taught peanut oil) then he smartened up and ran the second on..... Peanut oil!
IS SVO a perfect replacement for diesel? NO! Neither is the ultra low sulfer fuel they call diesel. SVO has its issues, biodiesel too.
But if you have a shop where you can work on your system, filter your oil, have knowledge and tools to build and maintain your system, and have the drive to be different...... Than SVO may be for you. If you wish to be a chemist and convert it to Boidiesel, then you must have the space, and knowledge, and drive to do that too.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
Last edited by 94turbo-; 05-07-2012 at 12:38 AM.
#34
#35
SVO and WVO are not the same thing.
SVO is Straight Veggie Oil = NEW oil, never been through a deep fryer
WVO is Waist Veggie Oil = been through a deep fryer, it has food bits, it needs to be filtered. Not the same thing? It depends on your perspective, thats like saying a folded and torn $10 dollar bill is not the same thing as a crisp new $10 bill, but I bet it will BUY the same gallon of diesel.
From the dictionary: FUEL 1. Something consumed to produce energy, especially:
a. A material such as wood, coal, gas, or oil burned to produce heat or power. Fuel is needed to run a steam engine, they can run on coal, wood, used motor oil and veggie oil. The locomotive moves using this "non fuel", I believe then this veggie oil is indeed a fuel.
Try lighting a charcoal brick with SVO and one with diesel, which will light first?
Neither. You are either an impatient person, have very short matches, live in space or not allowed to play with fire. ONE of the charcoal bricks will light with fire. I bet it will be diesel every time.
Neither is the ultra low sulfer fuel they call diesel.
That is false information. So my older truck "will be fine" with the low lube low sulfur diesel? SORRY Extra lube is a must, I bet my trucks running way past yours with the same IP pump as I use extra lube
Lets look at the safe fuel element... You are in an action movie running on a platform above 2 open tanks, one diesel, the other WVO. You have no cover or exit.... a live grenade is tossed at you, you have 1 second to decide....
1 you dive in the "safe diesel tank"
2 you dive into the "unsafe WVO" tank
3 you take your punishment like a man.
I bet it will not be diesel you dive into.
By the way, you claim no one has driven far on veggie oil, My toyota diesel ran every day of its last 5 years on veggie, the truck fell apart around the motor, I transplanted the motor into another toyota and ran that truck until it too rusted beyond repair. When I switched to a for 7.3 diesel, I tore down the toyota engine, it was cleaner, tighter, no "coking of the rings", no sludge buildup, it was still a happy engine. No the veggie oil did not make the truck rust away. And since this a 7.3 thread, my 7.3 loved the WVO, it took me many places, many miles. The engine still runs strong with 450,00 km but the rest of the truck fell apart around it..... NO veggie oil didn't cause the truck to wear out, unless the fact it TRAVELLED far on veggie is your reasoning then yes, yes in some twisted way it was an accessory to making the truck wear out. Sort of like oxygen causes you to die because of after 95 years of breathing oxygen, you die.....
The debate over veggie fuel is a political one, a fight for money and taxes. If I lived on an island with tanks of veggie oil, diesel vehicles all around and no fuel tankers to drop off diesel, I would indeed convert them to veggie instead of living like "castaway" because the tax man isn't there to collect his dues. Would I be bummed out and doomed to become Tarzan because I don't have the dangerous Methanol and Lye to make biodiesel? NO SVO (WVO same thing) would work fine, since it is a fuel.
SVO is Straight Veggie Oil = NEW oil, never been through a deep fryer
WVO is Waist Veggie Oil = been through a deep fryer, it has food bits, it needs to be filtered. Not the same thing? It depends on your perspective, thats like saying a folded and torn $10 dollar bill is not the same thing as a crisp new $10 bill, but I bet it will BUY the same gallon of diesel.
From the dictionary: FUEL 1. Something consumed to produce energy, especially:
a. A material such as wood, coal, gas, or oil burned to produce heat or power. Fuel is needed to run a steam engine, they can run on coal, wood, used motor oil and veggie oil. The locomotive moves using this "non fuel", I believe then this veggie oil is indeed a fuel.
Try lighting a charcoal brick with SVO and one with diesel, which will light first?
Neither. You are either an impatient person, have very short matches, live in space or not allowed to play with fire. ONE of the charcoal bricks will light with fire. I bet it will be diesel every time.
Neither is the ultra low sulfer fuel they call diesel.
That is false information. So my older truck "will be fine" with the low lube low sulfur diesel? SORRY Extra lube is a must, I bet my trucks running way past yours with the same IP pump as I use extra lube
Lets look at the safe fuel element... You are in an action movie running on a platform above 2 open tanks, one diesel, the other WVO. You have no cover or exit.... a live grenade is tossed at you, you have 1 second to decide....
1 you dive in the "safe diesel tank"
2 you dive into the "unsafe WVO" tank
3 you take your punishment like a man.
I bet it will not be diesel you dive into.
By the way, you claim no one has driven far on veggie oil, My toyota diesel ran every day of its last 5 years on veggie, the truck fell apart around the motor, I transplanted the motor into another toyota and ran that truck until it too rusted beyond repair. When I switched to a for 7.3 diesel, I tore down the toyota engine, it was cleaner, tighter, no "coking of the rings", no sludge buildup, it was still a happy engine. No the veggie oil did not make the truck rust away. And since this a 7.3 thread, my 7.3 loved the WVO, it took me many places, many miles. The engine still runs strong with 450,00 km but the rest of the truck fell apart around it..... NO veggie oil didn't cause the truck to wear out, unless the fact it TRAVELLED far on veggie is your reasoning then yes, yes in some twisted way it was an accessory to making the truck wear out. Sort of like oxygen causes you to die because of after 95 years of breathing oxygen, you die.....
The debate over veggie fuel is a political one, a fight for money and taxes. If I lived on an island with tanks of veggie oil, diesel vehicles all around and no fuel tankers to drop off diesel, I would indeed convert them to veggie instead of living like "castaway" because the tax man isn't there to collect his dues. Would I be bummed out and doomed to become Tarzan because I don't have the dangerous Methanol and Lye to make biodiesel? NO SVO (WVO same thing) would work fine, since it is a fuel.
Last edited by 94turbo-; 05-07-2012 at 12:30 PM.
#36
What's really funny about that comment is you wrecked your motor doing it wrong, yet mine is doing just fine. I think I'll let that speak for itself.
I know what fat, glycerin, and acidity are, I want YOU to explain to me why they are bad. I will take your current answer as "I really have no clue and am regurgitating info that I know nothing about" I asked you to explain to me how it is harmful, NOT explain to me what it is and simplify it. I want a detailed explanation as to why it's bad, and what it's going to do. If not for me, for inquiring minds that may not know the answers. I have nothing to prove. I've done my homework, and my stuff works. Clearly, yours did not. Why should I take advice from a failure? It's like taking weight loss advice from a 450lb man, it just don't make sense.
I don't see you lasting too long here...
Last edited by Mdub707; 05-07-2012 at 03:15 PM.
#37
The place I get my free oil from gave me a card from a guy who works for the county, he wants me to give him a call ....Im in southern Ca. should I be concerned ? like not giving them my home address or tell him I am using it as fuel ? I get real nervous when people from the county or state want to talk to me , I was also contacted by some county rep at my old place and they just sent me a letter with an EPA number assigned to me and it said I dont need a permit as long as I am not acquiring more than 500 gal per year.
#39
The place I get my free oil from gave me a card from a guy who works for the county, he wants me to give him a call ....Im in southern Ca. should I be concerned ? like not giving them my home address or tell him I am using it as fuel ? I get real nervous when people from the county or state want to talk to me , I was also contacted by some county rep at my old place and they just sent me a letter with an EPA number assigned to me and it said I dont need a permit as long as I am not acquiring more than 500 gal per year.
#40
yup, they wanted me to take all I could handle, they felt it was wrong to dump and mix all that oil with garbage when it could power something else.
With all the hype of dwindling crude oil, trying to be carbon neutral, cleaner running engines, zero waist.... the powers that be should be welcoming veggie burners with open arms. In Canada we have the carbon tax, spanking our bums for using energy that releases carbon, yet they do not reduce that tax to those who want to reduce the carbon foot print by using solar power, wind power, or other means.
If the carbon tax went toward reducing carbon....
If the road tax actually went to roads...
If the tire recycle money went toward recycling tires....
If the.......
With all the hype of dwindling crude oil, trying to be carbon neutral, cleaner running engines, zero waist.... the powers that be should be welcoming veggie burners with open arms. In Canada we have the carbon tax, spanking our bums for using energy that releases carbon, yet they do not reduce that tax to those who want to reduce the carbon foot print by using solar power, wind power, or other means.
If the carbon tax went toward reducing carbon....
If the road tax actually went to roads...
If the tire recycle money went toward recycling tires....
If the.......