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Gaines12 09-18-2013 10:16 PM

V2203 Diesel Ranger Conversion Kits
 
Just out of curiosity I might have the opportunity of creating a kit that you bolt all together and then bolt the Kubota V2203 right into your 4x4 Ford ranger. I figured Id get some outside opinion. This would include, motor mounts, intercooler mounts, oil pan, throttle linkage, transmission adapter, turbo adapter, accessory mounting, and possibly a few other things such as gauges. A wiring harness.... etc. Let me know your ideas or what you all think, thanks!

kabanger 09-20-2013 08:01 AM

Put some prices down I'd be interested. I started gathering but I am limited on time a kit would help.

deck60 09-20-2013 08:41 AM

I talked to a guy at work that would love to do one of these conversions and he thinks you should offer several different options

offer your master kit all ready to go

offer it piece by piece for the people that do most of it by themselves

offer a complete blueprint option including the cnc program to do the adapter plate ect

and finally offer an instruction manual similar to what ford cummins or the call themselves dcs now Home | Diesel Conversion Specialists


FORD CUMMINS INSTALLATION MANUAL-Cummins into '99+ Ford SuperDuty

http://www.fordcummins.com/99-07Ford5_4and6_8.pdf


I bought their manual before i started my ford conversion and it was well worth the 27.00 but it also will help separate the do it yourself-er from someone that thinks they can but really cant and make sure you include all prices for ordering in the instruction manual

Gaines12 09-20-2013 12:53 PM

Those were all plans, im not really looking to make money off this either to be honest. its more if I can cove cost then im happy. a lot of users on here helped me so now I wanna do my part and make it easier and cost effective. Im working with a guy out of Florida to do this, but it would most likely be several months before we can have it all set up. but theres a good chance I can get individual parts here shortly. I was just curious as to what people had to think. I know at one time adapters were sold for like 700 well I made mine for like 250 and if you look at my form its not shackled together its nice one piece cnc solid aluminum. id prolly sell them for about 350 or so. cutters are expensive to buy.

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Also I have 2 adapters for sale for 350 a piece. we made a few spares.

Gaines12 09-20-2013 01:05 PM

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deck60 09-20-2013 04:24 PM

if you make a little $$$ good for you it is your idea and hard work doing it look at what ford cummins and destroked have done with their ideas I say look at it as a business adventure you can make a few $$$ and the ones doing the conversions will be happy too
you may have a nice business venture going here


Originally Posted by Gaines12 (Post 1027011)
Those were all plans, im not really looking to make money off this either to be honest. its more if I can cove cost then im happy. a lot of users on here helped me so now I wanna do my part and make it easier and cost effective. Im working with a guy out of Florida to do this, but it would most likely be several months before we can have it all set up. but theres a good chance I can get individual parts here shortly. I was just curious as to what people had to think. I know at one time adapters were sold for like 700 well I made mine for like 250 and if you look at my form its not shackled together its nice one piece cnc solid aluminum. id prolly sell them for about 350 or so. cutters are expensive to buy.

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Also I have 2 adapters for sale for 350 a piece. we made a few spares.


Gaines12 09-20-2013 10:57 PM

To be honest id really like to get into multiple diesel swaps, such as Mercedes, 4bt, Kubota. anything anyone can come up with to put in whatever they want. but right now I work at Kenworth and am going to school through them. I guess we will see where this adventure of a hobby takes me!

kuyota toybota 09-24-2013 10:18 PM

I would like to buy one of your V-2203 / Ranger adapter plates and possibly some other items if they are available. Please let me know, and how you would like payment. Thanks

Gaines12 09-25-2013 07:51 AM

Get me a list of what you would like and ill get you prices and tell you what I have available and or can get you.

kuyota toybota 09-27-2013 11:21 AM

Well, I would like an adapter plate I don't think I could make one for that price. Have you made a front accessory plate for mounting P.S. pump, A.C.compressor. ALTERNATOR and belt tensioner? If so please price that. I think ford used the same mazda 5 speed manual trans. thru '98( M50 trans.) my ranger is a'94. Ya know I think its probably best to just price up what you have ready to go at this time and I will probably get them. Your prices seem reasonable to me so far. Thanks, Rob

Gaines12 09-27-2013 11:24 PM

As of now, I have the adapter plate and maybe motor mounts and the turbo adapter. still working on accessory plate. Let me do some figuring and ill come up with prices in a day or two

kuyota toybota 09-28-2013 10:49 PM

sounds good, thanks

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Oops, i don't want to pass on any incorrect Ranger trans. info, looks like the 4.0 ltr. used the M50D-R1 TRANS. from '91 thru 2000. Theres a good chart at TRS (therangerstation.com)

Bernard_Roofus 09-30-2013 11:28 AM

Just joined this forum to jump on the band wagon. I have a Bronco II and a new-to-me Kubota V2203. Looks like you have the parts to put it all together. Did you have to run a spacer behind the flywheel to make up for the adapter plate thickness? Are you running a/c as well?

Gaines12 10-01-2013 06:46 PM

No I didn't, we used the Kubota flywheel and milled it down and drilled it to a ford clutch and the proper depth. my first truck is not running a/c we are working on a new accessory plate that will be using the a/c as an option.

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Any word on motors yet? im waiting on my machinist to get back to me about the adapter plate still.

kuyota toybota 10-01-2013 11:28 PM

Hey Gains12, I talked to the head honcho today at the kubota dealer ship he said there's some outfit out of ohio that buy's the engine cores. And that if I would be willing to match there offer then I could buy any or all of them. He said there's about 25 engines, more than I care to rebuild. He also said that he would know by the end of the week about prices and give me a model inventory and I will pass that info on to you when I have it. I think they will be pretty reasonable well we'll know soon.

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Hey Bernard, good question I was thinking with the 1" adapter plate ferther seperating the trans. to engine location. That the added thickness of the kubota flywheel would help compensate for the adapter. Obviously the fly wheel is still to thick and needs to be cut the question is how much. There are so many applications for these engines that it is possible that the fly wheels have different thickneses. The Ranger / bronco pressure plate mount holes are darn close to the kubota ones. I thought it might be possible to use the kubota pressure plate and the Ford clutch disk provided the throw out bearing would jive with the p.p. fingers, thanks for your input.

Gaines12 10-02-2013 08:59 PM

I have the numbers for milling down the flywheel, we wrote up a program in mastercam. By the time you mill it all the way down the Kubota clutch holes are gone I believe. it takes a lot off...... plus the Kubota pilot bearing hole is smaller so the ford bearing and input shaft will not fit unless its drilled out. I believe ford clutches are cheap and that another reason I went with the ford clutch setup. Im excited about the motors, im thinking more and more about doing a 6 cyl swap just for fun. And also, I might try and develop something to run the automatic ranger transmission I think its an ALD4 or something like that. they say they are weak but you can modify them cheap. Idk be kinda cool, It comes in an electronic and none electronic version! But sadly I cant do much from here at college but come up with ideas and designs, no hands on for 2 more weeks.... Then ill have 10 Weeks of paid intern working nights and days off! :jump:

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Depending on prices of motors, I might buy a v2203 and see how much I can modify it to hold power wise. Maybe cross-reference parts off another bigger motor or something. Pistons, rods, cam, that kinda thing.:humm:
Im defiantly getting into these swaps though, gunna try and invest a lot of money while im young and can afford too. There could be a good future for diesel vehicles considering the Kenworth dealership is regearing to work on CNG trucks because their becoming more and more popular, which means diesel surplus!

kuyota toybota 10-05-2013 09:15 PM

engine cores
 
:argh:Well did not hear anything yet on the kubota cores I will fallow up on monday. I tried to send a long detailed post last night but it has seemed to evaperated into cyber space or something if it shows up I'll try and post it. I'm a heavy equipment opperator and a 1 finger typer.

Bioman 10-06-2013 07:08 PM

Hey Gaines12 bioman here. I would be interested in one of your trans adapter plates as well as accessories plates also. Or even the master am program. I also like that you are thinking ahead and planning to invest in yourself while your young. Damn I wish that would be required class right from kindergarten thru college. Good luck.

Gaines12 10-08-2013 09:03 PM

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you all on this, the plates are supposed to be water jetted tomorrow. Then we will have to take them and have them milled. So maybe by the beginning of next week I can get some mailed out. Right now we have 2. Aluminum is pretty high right now so ill have to come up with some money if I need more. If you want one send me a pm. Any word on the motors yet?

kuyota toybota 10-08-2013 11:08 PM

motor cores
 
Yes, I did talk to to Travis about the motors and he said he would send me a e-mail with a list of motors and pricing that was monday. He did give me some basic prices over the phone and here they are... $500 for the 3 bangers , $1000 for the 2203 & 2403 some with turbos and between $1500 to $2400 for the interm teir 4 larger motors .When I get the list I will pass it on to you and let you deal with him directly. Honestly I thought the prices would be better on the cores as I have done pretty good before. Have you checked out Surplus center on new motors There prices are reasonable.

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Yes, I would like to get one of the adapter plates you have on hand the M seiries V2203 HAS A COUNTER SHAFT near where the starter mounts so I should get a mesurement from the upper starter bolt hole to the top right bell housing hole as viewed from the back .I'm pretty sure it will work but just want to make sure. Thanks. Also where should I send the postal M.O.

Gaines12 10-09-2013 10:10 AM

What kinda conditions are the motors in? the best im seeing in Missouri is 1250 but their guaranteed to run for 90 days that's a v2203. Thank you, like I said I got another dealership out of California working on a motor source for me as well but they are super busy so its taking a while for him. Surplus center didn't show any motors when I checked today. Thanks for the help I appreciate it. Send me a picture of the counter shaft if you can, and also the tranny bell housing has to be notched for the starter to clear. we couldn't do anything about that.... but I bolt an extension cover for mine. Unfortunately the cost to make these plates went up on me... its gunna be $400 shipped. my apologies.... Were still trying to find a cheaper material source. id like to be able to make them for the $250 $300 range but I don't know if I will ever be able to. Like I said I have 2 plates. you can P.M. me your address. and if you can we will do the purchase through paypal. I will pay the fees for that as well. plates are being made right now

kuyota toybota 10-10-2013 12:29 PM

Hey Gaines12, My understanding on the engines is that they are not running but they are sold as rebuildable cores. You might try e-bay I hear there are a surplus of carrier refidgeration container kubota"s out there. I just called Travis (at the dealership) and invited him to join the thread so he can post the engines they have available. I would like to get my contact / shipping info to you along with my phone # as well as get your's so I can send you a picture of my M -SERIES V2203 from my phone. Also if you can invoice me with pay pal then I can go ahead and pay you and get the adapter on its way. Provided the counter shaft doesn't cause interferance. I don't know how to p.m. my info to you and actually don't know what p.m. stands for. DAA.. I thought you meant postal money order. So as soon as I get that figured out I'll go forward. Any coaching would be appreciated :s:Thanks

RedChevy44 10-10-2013 06:38 PM

PM stands for Private Message. Click on Gaines12 above where it says "Diesel Fan" on his post. A drop down menu should come up, then click on "Send a private message to Gaines12"

Gaines12 10-15-2013 03:22 PM

Heard anything from the dealership yet? do you know if your bolt pattern is the same as mine? and does that countershaft stick out past the back of the block? I think I might be able to just flip the starter to the other side..... I wish I could get ahold of one of those motors so I can make a plate for it too!

dieselxj 11-08-2013 08:43 PM

Hi Gaines, What thickness adapter plate did you end up with. If I read correctly are you using 1" aluminum plate

thanks

Gaines12 11-11-2013 07:27 AM

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ya its a couple thousandth over one inch. Your flywheel gets machined to ensure proper input shaft depth with these plates. Heres a picture of the one getting sent to jestergrin tomorrow

JesterGrin_1 11-11-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaines12 (Post 1034724)
ya its a couple thousandth over one inch. Your flywheel gets machined to ensure proper input shaft depth with these plates. Heres a picture of the one getting sent to jestergrin tomorrow

Now those are some pictures. :pca1: But I still can not figure out why your pictures are always sideways?

Gaines I will fix it. :) Here is a couple of pictures of Gaines Adapter.

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Gaines12 11-11-2013 01:57 PM

Thank you for that sir! my phone takes bigger pictures sideways, that's why they are sideways haha but those look good! and a lot bigger too:tu:

JesterGrin_1 11-11-2013 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Gaines12 (Post 1034767)
Thank you for that sir! my phone takes bigger pictures sideways, that's why they are sideways haha but those look good! and a lot bigger too:tu:

No Problem. I am glad your voice mail works. :c:

Gaines12 11-13-2013 01:04 PM

Ya me too I stay rather busy. especially sense I got back from Oklahoma its been hetic....

Bernard_Roofus 11-13-2013 01:28 PM

Tell me about it, there is not enough time in the day! Plates look Great!

Tavis 11-13-2013 08:52 PM

Looks great! I may be interested in a kit as well. I am currently looking for a cheap local engine. I have a clean solid Bronco II that I want to convert. Keep us posted.

Dave Borman 11-17-2013 01:24 AM

I am interested in an adaptor plate and acc mount. What are you charging and what year of transmission does the adaptor plate fit?

Gaines12 11-18-2013 07:58 AM

Well guys as of now the only thing we have perfected down to a T like we want it is the tranny adapter. Those I will sell, We are working on a turbo adapter for the ko3 turbo hopefully have one this week and maybe I can sell those too but I want to test fit everything first. The Adapters fit a M50D transmission and the Fm146 Transmission, these range throughout many years in the rangers explorers and broncos.... Not sure really how long but Im sure I can find out if need be! If prices of aluminum stay the same, plates will be $400 shipped. Jester should be getting his today or tomorrow in the mail so youll have to ask him what he thinks. I still got one left before I have to order more aluminum

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Bernard I haven't heard back from you yet.....

Dave Borman 11-18-2013 02:34 PM

Any chance you are willing to ship north of the border to Ontario, Canada?

Gaines12 11-19-2013 12:44 PM

Im sure I could, price will prolly increase a little.... Also we can machine flywheels for people and we are making 6 of the turbo adapters for now so we will have 4 for sale

Gaines12 11-19-2013 12:47 PM

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Started rebuilding my turbo today, tore it down in about 20 min its super easy, gunna clean parts tonight at work and then re assemble in the morning! :tu:

Gaines12 11-21-2013 01:08 PM

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Here are some pictures of the almost finished turbo adapters!

E-b0la 01-08-2014 06:59 AM

Wow nice work. I might be interested in a trans adapter from you, as I am contemplating doing this swap. There's a few rangers for sale local cheap with blown 3.0L engines that would make perfect candidates.

Keep up the good work!

Gaines12 01-22-2014 08:02 AM

Sorry I have been very busy with work and school! I right now have an adapter that fits the fm146 and the M50 these are the trannys found in 2.9 and 4.0 rangers im not sure whatelse, its possible we could make one for a 3.0 but I would need a bell housing measured as I don't have access to one down here. These parts should be on Parts-Barn.com soon, Sam at Leonards Kubota dealership in California is the guy most people buy parts and get information through. This is his website. You will defiantly want to talk to him he can help quite a bit. Hope this helps out, let me know if you have any questions


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