Nv4500 swap to 47rh 24 valve
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Nv4500 swap to 47rh 24 valve
I'm in the process of gathering parts im going to need to swap my nv4500 with a 47rh auto. I'm swapping with another guy and doing it side by side. I'm wondering if anyone could give me any tips in doing this
Also Im looking for what to do for the cooling lines, steering column, and also anything I need to know about the drive shafts
Thanks nick
Also Im looking for what to do for the cooling lines, steering column, and also anything I need to know about the drive shafts
Thanks nick
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im actually looking to do this very same thing...sort of. only difference, which is a big one, is my truck is a cummins converted nissan titan. Im sure there will be some similarities tho. anywho, a member by the name of "turbostang7" just posted this in my thread. hope it helps:
"i swapped in an auto! easy swap. 47rh would be the easiest, allisons are huge and you would more than likely have to do major floorpan surgery to fit it. the 47rh can be just as strong though. if its anything like the 24 valve the belhousing pattern is the same and so is the starter, all you need to do is take the 5 speed out, pull the flywheel, and install a flexplate then throw it together.
the rear driveshaft worked fine for me but on lifted trucks it runs into issues. and the frond driveshaft needs to be shortened."
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oh but i should point out that my cummins is a 12v and i believe the other guy's is too. but if you PM him, he may have some helpful knowledge for ya.
"i swapped in an auto! easy swap. 47rh would be the easiest, allisons are huge and you would more than likely have to do major floorpan surgery to fit it. the 47rh can be just as strong though. if its anything like the 24 valve the belhousing pattern is the same and so is the starter, all you need to do is take the 5 speed out, pull the flywheel, and install a flexplate then throw it together.
the rear driveshaft worked fine for me but on lifted trucks it runs into issues. and the frond driveshaft needs to be shortened."
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oh but i should point out that my cummins is a 12v and i believe the other guy's is too. but if you PM him, he may have some helpful knowledge for ya.
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for the indicator for the gears you will have to find one out of a 98.5-02 they are held in the cluster by 2 screws is all. i got a harness that went to the 47re when i did mine so it all worked, but as for the reverse lights you will have to just find the plug on your manual and the one on the auto and wire it in.
the clutch switch inside the cab will also need to be jumpered just so you know!
the rest of it is a bolt in deal, as for the 24 valve i know that the trans crossmember is the same, the bellhousing is also the same.
cooler lines i ran some hoses made for atf up to an aftermarket cooler because the stock one sucks anyways. rear driveshaft should work fine as long as the transfercases are the same(willnot swap from auto to manual or viseversa) have to keep transfercase with trans. the dld and dhd are different so watch out for that, the front driveshaft will also have to be swapped from truck to truck.
the clutch switch inside the cab will also need to be jumpered just so you know!
the rest of it is a bolt in deal, as for the 24 valve i know that the trans crossmember is the same, the bellhousing is also the same.
cooler lines i ran some hoses made for atf up to an aftermarket cooler because the stock one sucks anyways. rear driveshaft should work fine as long as the transfercases are the same(willnot swap from auto to manual or viseversa) have to keep transfercase with trans. the dld and dhd are different so watch out for that, the front driveshaft will also have to be swapped from truck to truck.
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if you want to use the 47re you can use your harness, get a harness from a donor truck and a pcm. the harness connects at the pcm and just under the cowl almost center i believe its a square grey plug but can't remember for sure.
the harness is cake to pull and swap though, don't have to remove the whole thing just the transmission specific part of it.
but for the electronic to work you will need the pcm!! unless its a 47rh then the harness and pcm realy will do you no good.
i did not use the block cooler for the trans only ran it from the lines on the transmission itself to a cooler up front. the stock one has that one that is kinda under the turbo and one in front of the radiator, i just put a big aftermarket in front of the radiator and called it good
the harness is cake to pull and swap though, don't have to remove the whole thing just the transmission specific part of it.
but for the electronic to work you will need the pcm!! unless its a 47rh then the harness and pcm realy will do you no good.
i did not use the block cooler for the trans only ran it from the lines on the transmission itself to a cooler up front. the stock one has that one that is kinda under the turbo and one in front of the radiator, i just put a big aftermarket in front of the radiator and called it good
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the 12 valve cluster won't comunicate with the 24 valve you won't have gages, or speedo if you do that. you can use the newer column probably your best bet so it is plug and play, the older one might not use all the same connectors. you will also need all the shift linkage from the other truck either way you go. its all metal rods no cables for the shift linkage.
best way to do it is keep your cluster, visit the local salvage yard and get a column, doesn't have to be cummins specific, and the shift indicator, also doesn't have to be cummins specific. there are also some other interior differences between the two, the 4x4 shifter cover is different, and you will have to deal with the hole in the floor. also the auto has a cupholder that goes where the manual shifter is that the older truck won't have. and the cover that is on the botom not quite sure what its called but it says srs on it.
then throw the auto in and wire up the reverse lights and possibly the neutral safety in the safety on your truck. should be fairly easily done! the whole swap didn't take much time at all once all parts were there.
best way to do it is keep your cluster, visit the local salvage yard and get a column, doesn't have to be cummins specific, and the shift indicator, also doesn't have to be cummins specific. there are also some other interior differences between the two, the 4x4 shifter cover is different, and you will have to deal with the hole in the floor. also the auto has a cupholder that goes where the manual shifter is that the older truck won't have. and the cover that is on the botom not quite sure what its called but it says srs on it.
then throw the auto in and wire up the reverse lights and possibly the neutral safety in the safety on your truck. should be fairly easily done! the whole swap didn't take much time at all once all parts were there.