2010 Duramax 6.9
 

Just read in Diesel power that their sources tell them that in 2010 the duramax will have 425Hp and 750ftlb fom the factory and will be 6.9 litre. I wonder what they could get out of these new trucks without all the bull shit emisions crap.

Also, the Allison is going to be redesigned and the current rumor mill is saying an 8 speed. :up2:

About 1000hp, while still getting 50mpg...:bat:

I may have to look into trading in, after they come out with delete kits for all the emisions.

Is it going to be a new engine or are they just increasing the displacement? 8 speed that will be cool

1000 HP + 8 Speed Allison = YEEEE HAW!


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Wheres that Black Smoke Smiley? lol

You definitely don't need that:jail:

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I'll believe it when I see it... With the Emissions stuff going on them, I don't see them making that much more HP/TQ and still being able to meet EPA requirements, but what do I know.

Don't I know thatlol

Interesting...they already met the 2010 emissions and still made almost 500hp. Google is your friend. Give it a try. :up2:

u can probably get retrofit some pre-emmison stuff on they 6.9L


maybe.

But man can u imagine a stock sc/lb truck with 425hp

lol... 500 HP stock? Show me where... And the Current Duramax DIDN'T meet 2010 EPA standards, thats why they had to come out with a new version. The only engine that met the standard was the 6.7L Cummins.

We're not talking about the CURRENT production DMAX. The prototypes they were testing met the 2010 requirements as well as produced over 450 hp, hence the 425hp for the production units in '10. Go do your homework, I'm not going to do it for you. BTW- making 550hp in a DMAX is quite easy. Especially since it was designed that way to begin with. Pro Mod parts and technology go a long way. :rolleyes2:

what i hear is that the 5.9 couldn't meet emissions either, so thats why they did away with it:w2:

Exactly, except Cummins passed 2010 tests in 2007, meanwhile Izusu and Navistar waited until the last minute (so to speak) to come out with a production engine that can handle it.

As far as the new 6.9L goes, it makes 425HP at this point, and its not even out yet, so why are you bench racing it already? You have another 6-10 months before this thing hits showroom floors. It could be tuned to 390HP by then, or lower, or higher. I know what they produced in testing, I wasn't asking you to give me answers. But the 2010 Engine isn't Stock yet is it, hence the term "Prototype." I either misunderstood what you were saying, or we both misunderstood each other. As far as Pro-Mod parts and technology goes, I don't understand why you even said this. Pro-Mod parts? If they are stock, they aren't "Pro-Mod". They may have been 5 years ago, but thats the point of racing, to develop better parts for the OEM. Formula 1, Le Mans, Indy, they all work this way, and the diesel world is no different. Technology is right about equal between all 3 engine manufacturers, but do you really think pumping computers into engines is a good thing? I sure as hell don't. There is no question the tried and true 12V is the king of reliability, and can produce the most horsepower out of any of the engines when built to the hilt. It does it without a computer, granted its not often streetable power, but either are most 1000HP+ D-Max's or CR Dodges running numerous computer programs and dozens of sensors.

In either case, the world of great diesel engines is here to stay, at least for the next few decades, lets celebrate :c:.

I'm not even going to justify that with an answer. :rolleyes2:

x2 :rolleyes2:

Who said that the 1000+ HP Dmax's werent Streetable? Keith Drives Nasty girl back and forth to work, Also, I believe that Twin SC DMAX is making over 1000 HP and is very much a daily driver..

[QUOTE=MotorOilMcCall;207722]Exactly, except Cummins passed 2010 tests in 2007, meanwhile Izusu and Navistar waited until the last minute (so to speak) to come out with a production engine that can handle it.

As far as the new 6.9L goes, it makes 425HP at this point, and its not even out yet, so why are you bench racing it already? You have another 6-10 months before this thing hits showroom floors. It could be tuned to 390HP by then, or lower, or higher. I know what they produced in testing, I wasn't asking you to give me answers. But the 2010 Engine isn't Stock yet is it, hence the term "Prototype." I either misunderstood what you were saying, or we both misunderstood each other. As far as Pro-Mod parts and technology goes, I don't understand why you even said this. Pro-Mod parts? If they are stock, they aren't "Pro-Mod". They may have been 5 years ago, but thats the point of racing, to develop better parts for the OEM. Formula 1, Le Mans, Indy, they all work this way, and the diesel world is no different. Technology is right about equal between all 3 engine manufacturers, but do you really think pumping computers into engines is a good thing? I sure as hell don't. There is no question the tried and true 12V is the king of reliability, and can produce the most horsepower out of any of the engines when built to the hilt. It does it without a computer, granted its not often streetable power, but either are most 1000HP+ D-Max's or CR Dodges running numerous computer programs and dozens of sensors.

In either case, the world of great diesel engines is here to stay, at least for the next few decades, lets celebrate :c:.[/


Isuzu ? where did you get that, isuzu had nothing to do with the LMM. Gm owns 100% of Dmax . Isuzu and GM worked together to come up with the initial deign of the first dmax, it was a joint effort.Isuzu is not involved ,or has no ownership in DMAX.

Exactly...DMAX Limited. :ok1:

:pca1::pca1: Are they putting that Urea crap on it or the DPF junk they are using now? Did they mention anything about the emissions controls, and what they are doing to make it more fuel efficient??:humm:

I haven't read anything about the emisions equipment as of yet for the 6.9, I only know the 4.5 duramax will have Urea injection and a DPF.

No one needs anything, but we all want somthing and 1000hp+8 speed=tons of fun...:rocking:

Yes, but my husband gets in trouble all the time with the truck he has now!!! I can only imagine how much our insurance premium would go up:w2:

i think its going to be with the urea injection and the DPF

I'll clear this up for everyone right now.

I am a GM tech and for the longest time I too thought that Izuzu was making the Duramax motor. I was sent off for training in late July and came back with a whole new perspective. Izuzu DID help design the intial prototype motor that was NOT the 6.6, instead it was a 7.0 Duramax but had the same basic design. After many different tests and real life test models GM decided to make it smaller for fuel efficnecy and in doing so they also increased the hp and tq on the 6.6 so that it was more than the 7.0. Izuzu agian helped design the 6.6 but they never ever ever built a single one. ALL DURAMAX MOTORS WERE BUILT BY GM!!!! At training I did see the first Duramax 7.0L and it was a beast, it didnt make much power but it had potencial. Also while i was down there they rolled in a 6.9L twin turbo 6 speed Allison Duramax and let us peak around. I cannot tell you for sure if its going to be twined of large single turbo thats beyond the info that i have right now. Hope that clears things up for you guys.

Thanks Eric.

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I have been trying to tell people that for along time, frankly I think a lot of the dodge and ford crew do not want to give GM any credit for building a lick ass diesel. Times have changed, Cummins and Power Stroke aren't the only diesel power in a light truck worth having anymore.

I'm not gonna brand bash, what I am going to say is that I love diesels and I think all big 3 are good trucks and they have there ups and downs. I personally like the Cummins the most and then the Duramax and then Powerstroke. Just my opinion.

Now for the sake of my job i cant tell you all the details of the 2010 Duramax because it is not out yet and because I dont know too much about it because GM is hiding that stuff even from its techs. When I am trained on it I will give you the full scoop inside and out of the truck. I have seen the prototype first hand and it was a urea injection twin turbo dpf egr machine. The engineers said that it would exceed the 2010 emissions requirments and produce more power then the rivals. Now thats what they said so dont kill the messenger. None of us got to drive the truck but the engineers did and it almost sounded like a 7.3 just quieter. Should be interesting, I'll keep you guys posted as i learn more.

I was not intending to brand bash either, I was simply trying to make the point that when I hear the dmax is an Isuzu motor it si usually from a Cummins or powerstroke owner, and I think they are all good trucks, just small things that make me a GM person and another a Dodge or Ford.

they are making it harder for me to keep saying that i am not going to buy new if they make that engine have that much power right out of the box

The thing is, is that manufactures are getting smart, they know that people want to do preformance mods and not just looks so they are programming the trucks right out of the box to not except programs very well. GM especially is getting smart with this by running two ecms on prototype vehicles to see if they can void an engine programmer out. The reason why they do this is because it costs them money because people try to fudge a warrenty. To me if you modify prefromance wise get ready to pay the price for what you have done. If you want your warrenty but more power then you are gonna have to pick your battle and choose one. I havent heard anything from Crysler or Ford about any new 2010 developments but all the manufactures are cracking down the same way.

ya i can understand that and yes i have tried to get my truck covered under warranty before for some performance thing but i am not one of those that fights with them about it hey i may get lucky and they will cover it or i may not and i will have to pay for it i understand that

E2theRock2...
do you know if GM is coming out with a 4500 chassis like Dodge Ram's 4500? What sort of torque do you think the new 2010 engine will put out?

thanks

You know i dont have a clue on either of those things I havent been told one way or the other so there is no way i could tell ya.

E2.... you're the only one who has been able to somewhat authenticate anything regarding GM's 2010 future engine. When do you think that GM will start officially talking about this engine?new truck? Knowing that GM will have a 4.5L for their 1500 series truck there is no doubt that GM has to push the spec for their 3500 series trucks beyond 2009's specs.

rumer has it though there going to redesign the cummins to.. And it is very possible to get high horsepower out of the EPA diesel's, now that they have figured out the systems they know what there doing.

Regardless, no matter what engine its on, the new EPA equipment limits HP numbers, sure, they'll find ways to deal with it, but its not adding HP by any means.

I agree with you that it dont help the HP but lets face it 425hp and 700 plus or torque how much do we really need?? My LB7 has alot of get up and that would just be insaine to have that much HP in a truck form the factory.