Chevy/GMC 6.2L and 6.5L Discussion of Chevy and GMC Trucks with 6.2L and 6.5L Diesel Engines

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Old 12-20-2011, 09:44 AM
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1. Problem: Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire). _hard start, big puff of white smoke, fish biting on accel___________________________

Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:

- Year: _1995_____
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) ___K2500______
- Automatic or Standard ____auto______
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) ___130,000 Miles______
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) _injector pump, lift pump, long block (gm replacement), turbo mister, intake, exhaust,or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? ____n/a__________
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) ___0-110_______
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) ___#2______
- What fuel additives are you using? ___________
- Where are you located? _____Dallas, Tx________

General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter ___2 months______
- Fuel filter ___2 months______
- CDR Valve? ___1 year______
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at _____one year________
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at _____2 months______
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at _____1 month________
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): 1 month________
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? ___100,000 miles______ What type? ____stock_________
- Injectors - last changed at _______n/a________


History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened? ______________
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? _____________
- Has this problem ever happened before? _______________________
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. ______________
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) ____ And? ________This truck has a long history. I bought the truck used in 1998 and the truck ran great until 2004 the injector pump went out and was replaced by a dealer under warranty. At that time the truck would fish bite and cut out with very hard restarts. The truck ran great until 2006 when I decided to take it to my local Jiffy Lube for an oil change (it was raining out and I had not garage space to keep me from getting wet). Jiffy Lube drained my oil, replaced the filter and filled up my crank case. The problem was they filled the crank case with ANTIFREEZ!!!!!!!!!!! (They did this to several diesels that day). I had no idea and drove about 15 miles or so and noticed my truck was not running right. White smoke was pouring out of my tail pipe. Made it home (about ½ mile, shut the truck down and white smoke poured out of my tail pipe. Checked the dipstick and the liquid on the dipstick did not look right. Jiffy Lube admitted they had placed antifreeze in my crank case and a long story short. They fought the replacement of a new motor saying mine was not new. We settled to take cash and found a good used motor. This motor had been pulled from a suburban, but ended up being a newer cast GM replacement motor. The truck ran great for about 6 months when the injector pump went out again. Had the injector pump replaced (stock) and replaced the lift pump with an aftermarket. Over the years I have added a turbo mister, exhaust, intake, electronic shift control, and at one time I had a chip in the truck (when we did the motor swap it was removed because the new motor required a different stock chip).
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3. The issue at hand is hard starting with a large puff of white smoke once started. Fish biting under harder than normal acceleration (entering highway, going up a steeper than normal grade ECT).


Diagnostics:

1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? ___yes______
1b] Does the engine crank over? ___yes_____
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? ___yes______
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? __yes______
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? ___2-10 seconds depending on outside temperature______
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? ___no______ For how long? _________
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? _trace of white_______
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? __yes______

2] Fuel Issues (if not running):
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? ____________
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? _________
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? ___________
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? _________
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? ___________

3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) ___on pump________
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? _________
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. __good_______
3d] PMD Make: ___stock________
3e] PMD Age: _____stock________

4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? ____no________
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) _no_____
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? _________
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? __fish biting_______
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? ___some times______
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? ___unk________
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? __unk_______
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? ____sometimes_______

5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? _______
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? ___no____
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? ____no______
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? __yes (I have seen others smoke worse)_______
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? ___no more than normal_______

6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? ___no________
6b] Maximum boost under load? ___unk_________
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? ___no___________
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? ____2.5 dual 12” glasspack in place of cat____________
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? ___mechanical___________

7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? ___single_________
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? __1 year_______
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? _____1 year_______
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? __no______
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? __n/a________
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? ____no_______

List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.

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Old 12-20-2011, 11:48 AM
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check your Lift pump and oil pressure sensor
 
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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both are good
 
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Old 12-24-2011, 10:30 PM
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sounding like PMD
or bad IP how many miles on the truck also have check air in fuel lines
 




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