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Old 04-30-2011, 05:39 AM
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Default Test vacuum lines

Thanks for idea, thought did occur to me wonder is it OK to use starting fluid spray around lines and listen for results or just visual inspection? Like I said though engine seems to be running better each day not nearly so much smoking.
 
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Old 04-30-2011, 09:18 AM
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Diesels do not create vacuum inside of the intake like gasoline engines. Gasoline engines rely on vacuum for numerous things, such as: brake boost and HVAC controls. The Diesels rely on hydroboost systems for brake boost and electrical motors for HVAC operations. GM put the vacuum pump to control a couple of devices on the truck, read on for more info.

So, where's the vacuum pump?
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Please note, you may not have the piece of tubing in the way unless you have an intercooler.

What components does the vacuum pump provide for? The list includes: EGR (if equipped) and the turbo waste gate system.

On vans the vacuum system also controls the HVAC system.
EGR's are normally found on "S" Vin engines. Another way to tell is if the truck is a 6 or 5 lug, it will have an EGR (unless its been removed).

Where are these EGR and Wastegate solenoids?

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So how do I know if my vacuum pump is working correctly?
You will need a vacuum gauge to properly test the pump itself. You will want to hook the gauge up as close to the pump as possible. You want to see at least 20”+ Hg of vacuum at Idle.

Do I have to hook directly up to the vacuum pump?
It is best if you do, however, you can test farther out on the on the vacuum system. You can check the vacuum at the soleniods, EGR, wastegate. This will help you determine if it is a bad device or a bad vacuum line if the vacuum pump tests good.
*Note: Testing after the solenoids may give a skewed reading as they regulate the amount of vacuum given to the devices.

My vacuum level is not very good?
If you are directly attached the gauge to the pump, and you have low or no vacuum, then your pump is bad. If testing further out on the system, you will need to connect directly to the pump to insure that you have no leaks in the lines between the gauge and the pump.

Are leaks common?
Very common. Leaks come from chaffing, hardened plastic lines cracking, etc... Sometimes the vacuum level may be okay, but if the engine rocks one side to another, it may open up a crack in the line and you will lose vacuum.

I don’t have a gauge, but I suspect I don’t have good vacuum. What do I do?
A real quick check of your vacuum system, which can be done at any time, is checking your waste gate actuator.

With the engine at idle, locate the turbo, and the can on the side that has the arm in it, should be drawn up inside. Pull on it, to see if you can pull it out. If you can, you don’t have sufficient vacuum. That is not to say that the pump is bad, but just an indicator that you vacuum level to the turbo portion is not enough. You will need to do further troubleshooting to determine what’s wrong. If it doesn't move then you most likely have enough vacuum at the wastegate.

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My waste gate actuator failed the test, now what?
You will need to determine if the waste gate solenoid is bad, have a leak, or bad vacuum pump.

How do I determine if my waste gate solenoid is bad?
Check to see if you have vacuum BEFORE the solenoid. These solenoids will go bad after some time. The little ball inside of them will rust that actually opens and closes the vacuum to the actuator. It will get stuck not properly regulate the vacuum. It may get stuck “off” which means no vacuum gets to the actuator, it may get stuck “on” where it has full vacuum all the time. The last condition would create a DTC (computer code for over-boost).

How do I check to see if I have computer codes?
Depends upon if you have an OBD-I or OBD-II computer. 1996 and after are OBD-II and require a code reader, pre 96 you can check with a paperclip. Check the FAQ’s.

I have a code for my turbo, and EGR.
Coupled together these two codes indicate a vacuum problem. Both systems rely upon the vacuum system to work properly.

I have a heavy duty vehicle that does not have an EGR. My vacuum system is not working, what are my options?
If you have a 2500HD or 3500 truck, not equipped with an EGR system, you may opt to abandon your vacuum system, and use strictly a spring tension waste gate operator. Instead of using a vacuum system to hold the waste gate closed, you use spring tension. Once boost is built to it’s maximum allowable level, the waste gate blows open. The spring tension provides the proper pressure to maintain a safe boost level.

Can I get more boost out of my turbo with a spring type waste gate actuator?
Yes, but remember, there is a limitation here for the engine. You don’t want to be driving more than 12 psi of boost pressure into the engine with stock tuning, or more then 15 psi with an aftermarket tune.

Where can I get one of these spring type waste gate operators?
There are over the counter ones available from vendors, or you can opt to build you own (Check the FAQ’s). Other members have done so, and you can search to see what they have built. Search the term "Turbo Master."

*NOTE: If you install a Turbo Master, your computer will no longer be able to control boost levels.
I have an EGR system, can I fully abandon my vacuum system?
No, you will still need vacuum for your EGR to work properly.

You must still leave all your solenoids hooked up to the electrical system, because the computer is looking for feedback and a circuit to them. Without them connected, the computer will generate a DTC code. You can only remove the solenoids and EGR if you have an F code computer or an aftermarket tune that has EGR Delete on it.

What would keep me from abandoning the vacuum system?
If you have an EGR or your HVAC controls are vacuum operated.

If I abandon the vacuum system, can I remove my vacuum pump?
Yes, you can, this means that you will require a shorter serpentine belt. Members have reported that it needs to be 1 inch shorter than your original, you may want to do some further investigating to make sure on your own.

Normal Vacuum Pump Delete sizes are:

* 94-95 :: 101.5"
* 96+ :: 99.5"
 
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Old 05-01-2011, 05:38 AM
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Default Fish on!

I will check the wastegate again, had already there was resistance but I'm not sure how much is acceptable. From what I here EGR not good thing on diesel. If I go without I will always have CES light?

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Thanks Crazy, narrowing down problem. Went out last night wiggled vacuum near wastegate actuator and met much more resistance on arm (could not move it) and went for test drive. The truck seemed to have more power which tells me haven't been getting enough boost. So I drove a few miles and here comes the black smoke again. I am suspecting the EGR solenoid believe I will change it out see what happens.
 

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