Any one know anything about Fanuc vac drives?
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Any one know anything about Fanuc vac drives?
Any one know anything about Fanuc vac drives? My question is about testing the transistor blocks in the base. When I test between the collector and emitter I get a spike of about 160ohms the it drops to infinity. When I go the collector and base I get infinity. That leads me to believe the transistor blocks are bad. I have checked the Input voltage, the encoder to the motor has been changed with a identical machine I have and meged the motor at 1000v to ground and it all checked out good. There are 4 of these blocks in the base of this drive and it gets pretty expensive replacing parts so I need to get things narrowed down before I just throw parts at it. I also would like to know what else is after these that could cause them to blow that I need to check. Any help would be greatly appreciated I just need to get the thing running again. This is a older A06b-6044-H011 drive and has a alarm 02 on it.
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a VFD?
the "transistor blocks" are usually H-bridges and have a bit going on in them. best bet is to find a manual and look up the error. could be a bad bridge, could be flakey bypass or filter caps, could be anything! haha
I have a 2.5kw and 6kw drive sitting here someone game me to play with then went off a dissappeared.
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is it a molding machine?
we have some fanuc machines where I work... i could ask about it for ya.
the "transistor blocks" are usually H-bridges and have a bit going on in them. best bet is to find a manual and look up the error. could be a bad bridge, could be flakey bypass or filter caps, could be anything! haha
I have a 2.5kw and 6kw drive sitting here someone game me to play with then went off a dissappeared.
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is it a molding machine?
we have some fanuc machines where I work... i could ask about it for ya.
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2MuchJunk (07-22-2010)
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We have Fanuc PLC's at work. The newer ones are crappy....
So this thing is a PLC with a control unit connected to four "transistor blocks", each driving a separate motor? That's not the kind of thing we do with PLC's.
Use the "diode" mode of the meter to check transistors. You should have a couple volts to bias base to emitter and a couple volts to bias base to collector; the meter shouldn't be able to bias from emitter to base, collector to base, collector to emitter or emitter to collector.
So this thing is a PLC with a control unit connected to four "transistor blocks", each driving a separate motor? That's not the kind of thing we do with PLC's.
Use the "diode" mode of the meter to check transistors. You should have a couple volts to bias base to emitter and a couple volts to bias base to collector; the meter shouldn't be able to bias from emitter to base, collector to base, collector to emitter or emitter to collector.
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2MuchJunk (07-22-2010)
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No need to worry about it being a new one is 24 years old. Its on one of my Okuma cnc lathes. I think this one is 11kw but it could be 7.5kw. Cant remember of the top of my head I have a couple of each of them but it runs a 20 hp motor. There is a control unit connected to four transistor blocks but they all run one single motor.
I am going to have to get a better meter tomorrow to do that. Dang Darwin!!! I believe it suffered a power surge from a storm we had wiped them out. I am hoping and think that it just wiped the bridge out between them and nothing else. Is there anything I should look at after these to try and keep it from blowing these things right off the bat?
I am a machinist by trade so I understand about enough about this to confuse myself real good. Thanks for the help and any advice is appreciated.
I am going to have to get a better meter tomorrow to do that. Dang Darwin!!! I believe it suffered a power surge from a storm we had wiped them out. I am hoping and think that it just wiped the bridge out between them and nothing else. Is there anything I should look at after these to try and keep it from blowing these things right off the bat?
I am a machinist by trade so I understand about enough about this to confuse myself real good. Thanks for the help and any advice is appreciated.
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Could you just junk the transistor blocks entirely and use the control unit to energize solid state relays?
Using a meter with a "diode-test" feature is definitely the right way to check transistors, at least your common three-pin transistors. Most every meter nowadays has a "diode-test" feature.
Using a meter with a "diode-test" feature is definitely the right way to check transistors, at least your common three-pin transistors. Most every meter nowadays has a "diode-test" feature.
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I have no idea if I could just junk the transistor block. I barley have any idea what I am doing. I am way in over my head.
The better meter I had grew legs and took off so the one I am using is just a cheap one. I need to buy a better one but I only work on these things rarely and out of necessity.
I have meged the motor to ground but not leg to leg with 1000v. I had heard to conflicting story's about using 1000v. One says its too much the other says its fine whats your take? And without blowing any fuses I have a hard time believing something else went and caused the transistors to fail but I also don't work on these things much. And what do you think the chances of all 4 transistor blocks going at once is? I can see it because when one goes it loads more to the others but I don't know?
Thanks for all the help. I know its not the easiest thing to tell someone how to fix one of these things that is at best mildly knowledgeable on them,
The better meter I had grew legs and took off so the one I am using is just a cheap one. I need to buy a better one but I only work on these things rarely and out of necessity.
I have meged the motor to ground but not leg to leg with 1000v. I had heard to conflicting story's about using 1000v. One says its too much the other says its fine whats your take? And without blowing any fuses I have a hard time believing something else went and caused the transistors to fail but I also don't work on these things much. And what do you think the chances of all 4 transistor blocks going at once is? I can see it because when one goes it loads more to the others but I don't know?
Thanks for all the help. I know its not the easiest thing to tell someone how to fix one of these things that is at best mildly knowledgeable on them,
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No the power supply doesn't make 1000 volts its 200v.
You have to bear with me I don't always know the proper names for everything.
When I say we meged out the motor I mean we sent 1000v through it to check for a leak in the insulation or short. I don't know if thats what is actually called just what I have hear everyone call it.
You have to bear with me I don't always know the proper names for everything.
When I say we meged out the motor I mean we sent 1000v through it to check for a leak in the insulation or short. I don't know if thats what is actually called just what I have hear everyone call it.
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do you mean checked it with the 1000v setting on the meter?
can you find a part number on the "transistor blocks" for us? that would be a huge help. they could be any number of different parts and they are all tested differently.
where the controller connects to these blocks, you should be able to measure a voltage(pulsed dc, should show up as ac) from there to ground while its in a running state, since the controller needs to give them an input to have them do their thing.
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could you be speaking of a HI-POT test? apply 1000v to all the motor windings? no leaks and the box just beeps, otherwise it sparks and buzzes? haha
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could you be speaking of a HI-POT test? apply 1000v to all the motor windings? no leaks and the box just beeps, otherwise it sparks and buzzes? haha
can you find a part number on the "transistor blocks" for us? that would be a huge help. they could be any number of different parts and they are all tested differently.
where the controller connects to these blocks, you should be able to measure a voltage(pulsed dc, should show up as ac) from there to ground while its in a running state, since the controller needs to give them an input to have them do their thing.
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could you be speaking of a HI-POT test? apply 1000v to all the motor windings? no leaks and the box just beeps, otherwise it sparks and buzzes? haha
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could you be speaking of a HI-POT test? apply 1000v to all the motor windings? no leaks and the box just beeps, otherwise it sparks and buzzes? haha
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