I wish the cops would get this
#1
02-09-2010, 04:33 PM
I wish the cops would get this
What got me started on this was I came home from work the other morning at 4 am Sunday morning and noticed a BMW sitting in front of my neighbors with the trunk and driver door open, then I noticed a guy around his wife Tracker, I was wondering what a kid in a 70 thousand dollar car was trying to break in a Tracker.
So we called the cops and waiting and waiting while I'm on the phone with them and tell them I'm watching him as he jumped in the car and is hiding under a blanket, turns out there around the corner hiding, ask who had the gun, I said I have my CCW weapon on, I had to put it away, why do my rights go out the door when the police we called for help show up.
And why do we need 5 cops showing up to every call, I think with five cops they should have one to watch me if they were worried I was going to take out five cops with armor on.
And you tell me if the kid should have been driven home, they said he was drunk, didn't know where he was, sitting in a car with keys in it, I thought that was automatic DWI even if you where asleep behind the wheel like he was pretending too.
Ten things you should know about CCW Holders
January 22, 2009 by OCCCWS Editor
1. We don’t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don’t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don’t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don’t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
2. We don’t think we are cops, spies, or superheroes. We aren’t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don’t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don’t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren’t here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We’ll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary circumstances your business is your business, don’t expect us to help you out of situations you could
have avoided.
3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or “rage” incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don’t pull our guns to settle arguments or to
attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.
4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.
5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply lying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.
6. We do not believe in the concept of “accidental discharges”. There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun “going off” was the result of negligence on somebody’s part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.
7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times when an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel the need to take action. Please recognize that it’s very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don’t generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like “there’s a guy running around in the store with a gun” or even simply “I saw a man with a gun in the store” could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.
8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don’t usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on “how safe” we think a location is.
9. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent
criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.
10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don’t believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be
unarmed victims.
So we called the cops and waiting and waiting while I'm on the phone with them and tell them I'm watching him as he jumped in the car and is hiding under a blanket, turns out there around the corner hiding, ask who had the gun, I said I have my CCW weapon on, I had to put it away, why do my rights go out the door when the police we called for help show up.
And why do we need 5 cops showing up to every call, I think with five cops they should have one to watch me if they were worried I was going to take out five cops with armor on.
And you tell me if the kid should have been driven home, they said he was drunk, didn't know where he was, sitting in a car with keys in it, I thought that was automatic DWI even if you where asleep behind the wheel like he was pretending too.
Ten things you should know about CCW Holders
January 22, 2009 by OCCCWS Editor
1. We don’t carry firearms so that we can ignore other basics of personal safety. Every permit holder that I know realizes that almost all dangerous situations can be avoided by vigilance, alertness and by simply making wise choices about where one goes and what one does. We don’t walk down dark alleys. We lock our cars. We don’t get intoxicated in public or hang out around people who do. We park our cars in well lighted spots and don’t hang out in bad parts of town where we have no business. A gun is our last resort, not our first.
2. We don’t think we are cops, spies, or superheroes. We aren’t hoping that somebody tries to rob the convenience store while we are there so we can shoot a criminal. We don’t take it upon ourselves to get involved in situations that are better handled by a 911 call or by simply standing by and being a good witness. We don’t believe our guns give us any authority over our fellow citizens. We also aren’t here to be your unpaid volunteer bodyguard. We’ll be glad to tell you where we trained and point you to some good gun shops if you feel you want to take this kind of responsibility for your personal safety. Except for extraordinary circumstances your business is your business, don’t expect us to help you out of situations you could
have avoided.
3. We are LESS likely, not more likely, to be involved in fights or “rage” incidents than the general public. We recognize, better than many unarmed citizens, that we are responsible for our actions. We take the responsibility of carrying a firearm very seriously. We know that loss of temper, getting into fights or angrily confronting someone after a traffic incident could easily escalate into a dangerous situation. We are more likely to go out of our way to avoid these situations. We don’t pull our guns to settle arguments or to
attempt to threaten people into doing what we want.
4. We are responsible gun owners. We secure our firearms so that children and other unauthorized people cannot access them. Most of us have invested in safes, cases and lock boxes as well as other security measures to keep our firearms secure. Many of us belong to various organizations that promote firearms safety and ownership.
5. Guns are not unsafe or unpredictable. Modern firearms are well made precision instruments. Pieces do not simply break off causing them to fire. A hot day will not set them off. Most modern firearms will not discharge even if dropped. There is no reason to be afraid of a gun simply lying on a table or in a holster. It is not going to discharge on its own.
6. We do not believe in the concept of “accidental discharges”. There are no accidental discharges only negligent discharges or intentional discharges. We take responsibility for our actions and have learned how to safely handle firearms. Any case you have ever heard of about a gun “going off” was the result of negligence on somebody’s part. Our recognition of our responsibility and familiarity with firearms makes us among the safest firearms owners in America.
7. Permit holders do their best to keep our concealed weapons exactly that: concealed. However, there are times when an observant fellow citizen may spot our firearm or the print of our firearm under our clothes. We are very cognizant that concerns about terrorism and crime are in the forefront of the minds of most citizens. We also realize that our society does much to condition our fellow citizens to have sometimes irrational fears about firearms. We would encourage citizens who do happen to spot someone carrying a firearm to use good judgment and clear thinking if they feel the need to take action. Please recognize that it’s very uncommon for a criminal to use a holster. However, if you feel the need to report having spotted a firearm we would ask that you please be specific and detailed in your call to the police or in your report to a store manager or private security. Please don’t generalize or sensationalize what you observed. Comments like “there’s a guy running around in the store with a gun” or even simply “I saw a man with a gun in the store” could possibly cause a misunderstanding as to the true nature of the incident.
8. The fact that we carry a firearm to any given place does not mean that we believe that place to be inherently unsafe. If we believe a place to be unsafe, most of us would avoid that place all together if possible. However, we recognize that trouble could occur at any place and at any time. Criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. If trouble does come, we do not want the only armed persons to be perpetrators. Therefore, we don’t usually make a determination about whether or not to carry at any given time based on “how safe” we think a location is.
9. Concealed weapon permit holders are an asset to the public in times of trouble. The fact that most permit holders have the good judgment to stay out of situations better handled by a 911 call or by simply being a careful and vigilant witness does not mean that we would fail to act in situations where the use of deadly force is appropriate to save lives. Review of high profile public shooting incidents shows that when killers are confronted by armed resistance they tend to either break off the attack and flee or choose to end their own life. Lives are saved when resistance engages a violent
criminal. Lives are lost when the criminal can do as he pleases.
10. The fact that criminals know that some of the population may be armed at any given time helps to deter violence against all citizens. Permit holders don’t believe that every person should necessarily be armed. We recognize that some people may not be temperamentally suited to carry a firearm or simply may wish not to for personal reasons. However we do encourage you to respect our right to arm ourselves. Even if you choose not to carry a firearm yourself please oppose measures to limit the ability of law abiding citizens to be armed. As mentioned before: criminals do not observe “gun free zones”. Help by not supporting laws that require citizens to be
unarmed victims.
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Captain Call (02-10-2010)
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02-09-2010, 09:00 PM
#9
02-10-2010, 09:47 AM
well I agree with what you say about MOST CCW holders.. but then you always have the few that ruin it for everyone...
As for putting the gun away when to police arrive.. that is more for your protection as well as the officers.. even with body armor they don't want to get shot.. It is on less gun they have to pay attention to and they Don't know if you are part of the problem or not.. When they show up let them take care of it.
A CCW is not the right to carry a gun but a privilege to carry because you are thought to be a responsible citizen. So your Rights did not go out the window. It is just a matter of saftey and common sense for all involved. Your privilage to carry is for your personal saftey not to back up or assist the police. I Hope you can understand and respect their prospective and thoughts when the show up to a possible Felony in progress and see a gun.
Sorry But if I roll up and see a gun that gun is going to be secured and we will figure it out later.. brush you off and apologize if necessary. I can tell you that I have drawn down on off duty officers with guns between their seats, in glove compartments etc. until that person properly identifies themselves. I myself have faced the barrel of an officers gun due to an off duty weapon.
I am not sure about Florida but here in California if you are not driving the vehicle you can only arrest for DUI if you are blocking the roadway.. Now if they let him drive home that is a whole different story and bad on them!!.
As for putting the gun away when to police arrive.. that is more for your protection as well as the officers.. even with body armor they don't want to get shot.. It is on less gun they have to pay attention to and they Don't know if you are part of the problem or not.. When they show up let them take care of it.
A CCW is not the right to carry a gun but a privilege to carry because you are thought to be a responsible citizen. So your Rights did not go out the window. It is just a matter of saftey and common sense for all involved. Your privilage to carry is for your personal saftey not to back up or assist the police. I Hope you can understand and respect their prospective and thoughts when the show up to a possible Felony in progress and see a gun.
Sorry But if I roll up and see a gun that gun is going to be secured and we will figure it out later.. brush you off and apologize if necessary. I can tell you that I have drawn down on off duty officers with guns between their seats, in glove compartments etc. until that person properly identifies themselves. I myself have faced the barrel of an officers gun due to an off duty weapon.
I am not sure about Florida but here in California if you are not driving the vehicle you can only arrest for DUI if you are blocking the roadway.. Now if they let him drive home that is a whole different story and bad on them!!.
#10
02-10-2010, 10:33 AM
A CCW is not the right to carry a gun but a privilege to carry because you are thought to be a responsible citizen. So your Rights did not go out the window. It is just a matter of safety and common sense for all involved. Your privilege to carry is for your personal safety not to back up or assist the police. I Hope you can understand and respect their prospective and thoughts when the show up to a possible Felony in progress and see a gun.
I had to go through a background check and under the same laws as LEO's, I will tell officers who pull me over even though it comes up on their computer and know it before they get out the car, but I tell them ,with my hands showing and tell them if I have it on or if it in the center box because cops scare me anymore and I don't want to be shot for nothing.
The in question my CCW never left my holster, hands weren't near it and it not my job to assist, I was just watching him and didn't have to be told to back off, no my job man.
I can tell you that I have drawn down on off duty officers with guns between their seats, in glove compartments etc. until that person properly identifies themselves. I myself have faced the barrel of an officers gun due to an off duty weapon.
You mean to tell me the first thing you or other LEO's don't have out is your badge, LEO's here are required to carry at all times off duty,now I'm trying to get some understanding going and most of the cops I know have no problem with CCW's, part of the law for me having the CCW License is that I agree that it is not to be used against a LEO carrying out his prescribed duties.
Now if I felt it necessary to have held him at gun point I would have told them to approach from the rear of me and when they had him covered I would have secured my weapon or handed it over without facing them and backed away till they had situation in control.
I was really surprised no one even asked to see my CCW license, I'm not required to tell police by law at any time if I'm carrying but I don't want to be shot, so I tell for my safety.
I had to go through a background check and under the same laws as LEO's, I will tell officers who pull me over even though it comes up on their computer and know it before they get out the car, but I tell them ,with my hands showing and tell them if I have it on or if it in the center box because cops scare me anymore and I don't want to be shot for nothing.
The in question my CCW never left my holster, hands weren't near it and it not my job to assist, I was just watching him and didn't have to be told to back off, no my job man.
I can tell you that I have drawn down on off duty officers with guns between their seats, in glove compartments etc. until that person properly identifies themselves. I myself have faced the barrel of an officers gun due to an off duty weapon.
You mean to tell me the first thing you or other LEO's don't have out is your badge, LEO's here are required to carry at all times off duty,now I'm trying to get some understanding going and most of the cops I know have no problem with CCW's, part of the law for me having the CCW License is that I agree that it is not to be used against a LEO carrying out his prescribed duties.
Now if I felt it necessary to have held him at gun point I would have told them to approach from the rear of me and when they had him covered I would have secured my weapon or handed it over without facing them and backed away till they had situation in control.
I was really surprised no one even asked to see my CCW license, I'm not required to tell police by law at any time if I'm carrying but I don't want to be shot, so I tell for my safety.
