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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 05:38 PM
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Lets see a set of these , i need a set but dont want to be a guinea pig

From what i hear 1/2" longer than stock is the safest route , any thing over an inch and the 2nd gen track bar would need upgraded to the 3rd gen trackbar

and im getting mixed responses as to rather both upper and lowers should be longer to move the tire forward or just the bottom one.
 
Old Jan 3, 2010 | 05:49 PM
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i've been reading different opinon's on lengthing both also.i was thinking 1/2" longer on the lower couldn't hurt pinion angle much at all.if the wheel move's back from the leveling kit,couldn't that change the pinion angle in the opposite dirrection?
 
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Originally Posted by DieselMinded
Lets see a set of these , i need a set but dont want to be a guinea pig

From what i hear 1/2" longer than stock is the safest route , any thing over an inch and the 2nd gen track bar would need upgraded to the 3rd gen trackbar

and im getting mixed responses as to rather both upper and lowers should be longer to move the tire forward or just the bottom one.
1/2'' extended is safe, I ran 3/4'' extended with leveling springs and only had the track bar hit the diff cover at full compression, but I also had RockCrusher diff covers which were very thick compared to stock, so I ground the cover till it cleared. My full compression was also a lot more than any street driven truck will see.


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i've been reading different opinon's on lengthing both also.i was thinking 1/2" longer on the lower couldn't hurt pinion angle much at all.if the wheel move's back from the leveling kit,couldn't that change the pinion angle in the opposite dirrection?
Ok let me try clearing this up.

Some lifts have only extended lower arms because their kits come with new upper control arm mounting brackets on the axle. The arms are no longer parallel.

Now if you have a leveling kit, it only lifts about 2''s and the kits allow you to use the stock arms in the stock locations. So if you want to push the axle forward, you'll NEED to have both arms extended or else your pinion will change. It might be a small amount but it will change the pinion.

I have first hand experience with leveling springs, 3/4'' extended arms. So that's my take on it.

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These are my control arms on my Dodge Truggy. They use the same Ballistic Joints I will be using on these but my arms are 3/8'' thick.

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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 08:38 PM
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So How Much for 3/4 longer FIXED lowers and uppers with the bushing ? how much with the joints?
 
Old Jan 3, 2010 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DieselMinded
So How Much for 3/4 longer FIXED lowers and uppers with the bushing ? how much with the joints?
The bushings are 5 dollars cheaper per joint that the Ballistic Joints. So they fixed are 450 for the Ballistic Joints and 430 for the Ballistic Bushings.
 
Old Jan 3, 2010 | 11:25 PM
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That's about $150 less than what looks to be about the same thing Thuren makes, assuming you are a good welder. Not saying I'm an expert welder by any means, but that's the only thing - I didn't like the looks of some those welds...
 
Old Jan 4, 2010 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NadirPoint
That's about $150 less than what looks to be about the same thing Thuren makes, assuming you are a good welder. Not saying I'm an expert welder by any means, but that's the only thing - I didn't like the looks of some those welds...
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The one on the right is covered with mud and muck, probably doesn't look great.
 
Old Jan 4, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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i got under the truck today.it appear's those ballistic joint's and bushing will work for the lower control arm's only.my upper control arm's bushing are thinner and measure around 2.33" with an overall length of 17 3/8" for the control arm axle to axle center.the lower bushing is a 2.63" with the control arm being 18 1/2".
what would be needed to do the upper arm's?my truck is an 02,not sure if it's different from the older 2nd gen's.
 
Old Jan 4, 2010 | 08:49 PM
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mine is an 2002 also , with plow package does that matter?
 
Old Jan 5, 2010 | 08:28 PM
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Guys I've already have that taken care of. Talked with Ballistic and they have narrower joints available for this application.
 



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