06Dodge, youre forgetting about the far reaching influence of the US Government and the EPA....to my knowledge they dictate everything that is happening with the fuel supply.

Exactly. The oil companies had nothing to do with it and in fact DIDNT want the change.

Update...

I've updated my web site and clean up the information...

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197..._cycle_oil.htm <- 2 Cycle oil page

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197.../chemicals.htm <- Chemical definitions

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...orum.links.htm <- Links to other forums discussing 2 cycle oil

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...DS%20Links.htm <- MSDS sheets for most products including diesel fuel and 2 cycle oils...

There you go gang!

I also found out that NO sulfur diesel is in the works... Yes here is the spec sheet for it...

http://www.cpchem.com/enu/msds_unsec...NGLISH_A_N.pdf

Well, if you really could pull a test sample of ULSD, right now, chances are good they're REALLY CLOSE to almost NO sulfur already. Refiners must meet the 15ppm maximum level for ULSD, but I have found, while testing a new fuel treatment, that certain tank farms are already holding fuel that is at the 1ppm sulfur level, yes, that's not a misprint, 1 PART PER MILLION. So, they're pretty much there in terms of sulfur levels. One part per million is so little a concentration that it's really insignificant when you look at the entire mixture as a whole. How much is 1 ppm in layman's terms?
1 ppm = roughly 1/10th of a CC (cubic centimeter) in your ENTIRE fuel tank
OR
1/50th of a Teaspoon
OR
3 drops in your entire 35 gallon tank!!!
Pretty small amount. So, it's not much if anything at all. Basically, we're running without sulfur as it is already so changing to NO SULFUR is really just a classification but it wouldn't show up as much of a difference at all in how our trucks function already.
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Yes... It's true... They are making NO SULFUR FUEL already... (Link is in my last post).

First, I want to concentrate on the loss of the sulfur and why this is important to you. Sulfur is an Extreme Pressure (EP) lubricant. It is regularly added to lubricating oils and greases to increase the lubricity and to raise the amount of pressure that the lubricant can handle before the lubricating molecular barrier begins to break down. Sulfur has always been a vitally important factor in providing lubrication to diesel engine fuel pumps, fuel injectors, and to a lesser degree engine valves.
The reduction now being made takes on-highway diesel from less than 500 ppm to less than 15 ppm, which for all practical purposes eliminates sulfur as a lubricant in the fuel.
There are several methods of determining lubricity in fuels. The most common are: Ball on Cylinder Lubricity Evaluator (BOCLE), Scuffing Load on Ball Lubricity Evaluator (SLBOCLE), and High Frequency Reciprocating Rig (HFRR). The HFRR has emerged as the world standard and has been adopted by the ASTM and all of the engine manufacturers as the de-facto standard for measuring lubricity of fuels. HFRR ratings are counter-intuitive with the lower number showing better lubricity than a higher number.
On an HFRR test the number given is a measurement of the scar diameter (microns) produced during the test. The larger the scar diameter, the lower the lubricity, the smaller the scar the better the lubricity...

So as they reduce the sulfur they got to make up the lubricant some how. Why else did they start testing all fuel so it meets a certain level of lubricity??? :duh3:

Are you willing to buy my next VP44 injection pump???

Im glad you said that. Wannadiesel at DTR said that sulfur was NOT a lubricant of any kind, that in the process of removing sulfur from diesel they lose the lubricity. I agree with you, the books i have read say the sulfur IS a extreme pressure lube, just like mopar said! Good job mopar1973man!
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I've been researching this right along for a year now! Everytime someone proves something to me I WILL go research it and be sure they are right. But lot of times I'm still on the ball...:c: Thanks for the comment!

Sulfur is added to keep a lubricant from breaking down under extreme pressures... What do you call the IP pumps then? Your pumping the diesel fuel to pressures well above 4,000 PSI. I call that extreme pressure don't you???

More proof of it working properly...Remember I started using 2 cycle oil at approximately 85K miles.

Here is my most up to date MPG graph as of today.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r.../fuelgraph.jpg

Here is my close up zoom of my MPG from 85K miles on up to current.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...an/zoomMPG.jpg

Then here is the best one of all. My cost per mile graph. Remember I started using 2 cycle oil at 85K miles...
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ostpermile.jpg

As you can see it saving me money. So if you say my high average is $0.18 it currently $0.14 so thats a $0.04 cents saving per mile. So 105K-85K=20K roughly. So 20Kx$0.04= $800 dollars (roughly) saving since the start of my 2 cycle oil... And I've only speent about $60 bucks on 2 cycle oil. I would say thats a good return and savings. Even with the price of fuel going up I'm still cutting my cost per mile!

MoparMan

Would you make a thread back up that sulfur is an lubricant. A lot of things I have read agree but they don't go into details.

Thanks

Sulfur is a part of the lubricity of the fuel. Ok! Ask yourself why did they come up with the HFRR standard for testing the lubricity of the fuel after the extreme reduction of sulfur? True Sulfur alone is not a lubricant but its added to many types of lubes and grease to enhance it lubricating qualities.

So basically the more you remove sulfur from the fuel the less ability the fuel has to deal with extreme pressures (like inside the IP pump) It tends to break down the remaining lubricant that is left in the fuel with the extreme heat and pressures that a IP pump can put on the fuel. Also remember all the IP pump parts are lubricated by the fuel and can be spinning up 3K RPMs...