HHO Generators
 

I have an odd question. Has anyone tried a HHO generator and if so did they make it themself? I am liking the idea of the 15%-50% better MPG? I have been looking around online at them and i found on that i am thinking about tring. http://smacksboosters.110mb.com/Smack.pdf

any insight, feedback, and/or input greatly wanted

you can make way more HHO gas with a dry cell

I have heard that, but cant find the plans for one online for free. Tring to figure out if it is even worth tring. My truck has no emmisions crap from factory, and no O2 sensors. So my thinking was make one for like 75 bucks, if it woes work decent but a dry cell.
I wondering if anyone has tried them and had any luck with them?

the problem is that you have to have a way to lean out the fuel with the gas. If not all your doing is adding more fuel as hho and diesel. so if any thing it will burn after the diesel burns. Also in your plans there is not a flash back in the system. It is used to stop a explosion from back tracking from your motor and blowing the bubbler apart. I just used a small motor fuel filter. Also now that im thinking about it the only logical place to put the hho gas input is on the intake horn. but thats boosted so your hho generator will have to make gas at a higher PSI then the boost to even get out in to the intake.

I'm Guessing that NO ONE has Tried this.

People have tried it and it works. Don't hook it up to boost side! let it run through your turbo it won't blow up on you. Use youtube to find guys who are experimenting with this, also use it to find a dry cell plan. They're out there, there's a guy running a 7.3 on a metric shitton of hydrogen. Best way to do it is try and find a spot to mount another alternator. Get the same one used on your truck so the belt fits the groove correctly and then dedicate that and another battery to your cell, I know it sounds like too much work but it pays for itself, plus it'll run like a beast and with more longetivity. Goodluck, I'll be building my own soon so expect to hear from me as I hope to hear from you'll

check this link out, $20 for A LOT of knowledge. Apparently you can get reimbursed for what you spend from the... IRS? I believe. This site has it all. BE WARNED I think tomorrow the $20 goes back up at the end of the day read the site carefully. HHOSuperPack - Multiple Hydrogen Generator Plans

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I just bought it, it's not a scam. :tu: You don't have to download them all either they'll send you a link to your email that you can go to anytime. :rocking:

HHO is a joke

Yes, you can save gas- if you fill your pocket with money from other people...
If it is true the knowledge would be shared in the internet like FSM's or any other data base.
I feel sorry for those who spend the 20 bucks and another 50 bucks for wasted parts.
Get a full tune up- and spend the rest of the money with your family. Way better investment.

i am with you on this on Deezel. i was bit by the HHO bug a few years back and did a lot reading on building and hooking them up. did not see any difference in mileage. the $50+ i spent building mine could have been better spent putting fuel in my tank and made me go further then any HHO machine would have done. i know my HHO generator was producing as it was able to support a small flame (like a mini butane torch) at about 20~25 amps. at 14.5 volts and 25 amps one is looking at about 1/2 HP to run it. this device had better be putting out much more HHO then that to see any gains. long story short: no going to happen.

i do believe there is gains to be had here but the energy to run the HHO device needs to come from some other source then the engine. otherwise your peddling backwards. if you have this source to run the HHO device then it would be better used to supplement the alternator and take some of the load off off the engine. this will net you better MPGs

if you consider the fact that these engines are using several hundred if not a thousand CFM of air i would be hard pressed to believe that a wisp of hydrogen being introduced to the air intake could even be noticed by the engine

Rant done :nope:

stock 5.9L cummins = 10,000 cfm @ 3000 RPM

better result from water methanol injection I would think

that CFM # seems more reasonable. don't know what i was thinking. this only makes HHO even more of a joke

seems to work on fishing boats where there is lots of power available from large jennys and lots of room for hho generators, like a dozen units or more.

how much fuel are you burning in the generators. if you put this fuel in your boat engine i think it would run longer then with the HHO generator

not me personaly, read an article in national fisherman where they said 40 or 50% reduction in fuel usage. jenny runs 24/7 anyway so it does not use more juice. will try to find article and get the exact facts.

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speaking of alternitive fuels, they tried to run menhaden boats on fish oil, they said it gummed everything, and fish oil is getting more expensive than deisel.

nothing against you, just the "science" behind it.

generators will use more or less fuel depending on the load placed on them. larger load = more fuel consumed. we have a 75KVA generator where i work to run our equipment, this thing will run for days with no load but with a full load it will run its tank empty in a few hours. if you have a free source of power (ie: not your own fuel tank) to run the HHO generator then i can see where this might work

National Fisherman: Micheal Crowley explores On-Board Hydrogen. The soot count has also dropped
on oil samples from the genset. Schenck sends an oil sample to a lab every third oil change, which is
very 600 hours. “The viscosity is right where it’s supposed to be. All the additives are there, and the
soot level is at 0.1,” he says. There used to be a big black area on the side of the boat where the
exhaust came out. “Now it’s white,” Schenck notes. It’s the reduced fuel consumption for both the
main engine and the genset that impresses most people. Schenck says, “If you go by the factory
specs for fuel consumption and rpm, I’m using between 40 and 46 percent less fuel than before.”

I do not really think that it will pull 40% more fuel for a battery charger to power battery bank of what appears to be 8 batteries, if in fact their claims are true and accurate.
I emailed the company, we will see if we can get a rep to give the facts.

HHO
 

HHO is a very effective tool we use to reduce fuel consumption as part of our overall fuel management system. However, to create HHO and to use it effectively it is a fairly expensive set-up. Anyone that has built a cell for $50 and had no results is the normal result, the HHO gets a bad rap and everyone decides HHO doesn't work. The fact is it works very effectively and has a number of additional benefits besides fuel reduction. You all can go to my website Home to see how we measure the fuel consumption in real time and verify the results.

seems that the $50 build is just proof of concept.:tu:has anyone here ever tried to build a bigger system?

HHO
 

There are many HHO kits out there. As a Marine Consultant I work with my clients to find them the best possible solutions to reduce there fuel and other energy related costs. There are many HHO "kits" out there and hundreds of cells and parts on Ebay. I have researched over 60 HHO companies and have not found one that can produce any third party verification or 'measurable" results. Notice I said 'measurable" as we have the equipment to monitor fuel consumption and engine operations 24/7 in real time. The fact is all of these companies believe they can inject HHO at the rate of 1-4 liters per minute into the airstream of a diesel and increase the fuel efficiency. Depending on the engine the ratio of hydrogen to air flow is less than the percentage of hydrogen in the air we breath which is .0055. For these companies to operate in this manner and sell a product based on believe and testimonials is irresponsible and perhaps even criminal. I do believe as time goes on some of them will eventually go to jail. With all of that said, yes, HHO does work and is very effective, but not for the small operator. If you use 2000 gallons a month (truck, heavy equipment, generator, ship) or more our technology and fuel management system can save you money

i would like to see the proof of science behind HHO increasing the fuel efficiency of the engine it is powered from.

it is reported that electrolysis is somewhere between 50 to 80% efficient. the BTUs of HHO is probably in the range of 10 BTUs per liter. 3.414 BTU to one watt. 746 watts to one HP. diesel equals 140,000 BTUs per gallon.

to increase the efficiency of the engine so as to use one less gallon of diesel you would have to replace it with 4,103 liters of HHO. now in my tests i was getting somewhere around (lets round up for the sake of HHO) 4 liters per minute at 25 amps.

if we where to use my example of 25 amps = 4 liters per minute (other may be better but lets see where this goes). 25 amps x 14.4 volts x 60 minutes = 21.6KWh. 21.6KWh/746 watts per HP = 28.95 HP at 100% efficiency. at 4 liters per minute x 60 minutes = 240 liters per hour of HHO. 240 liters x 10 BTUs per liter = 2,400. 2,400 BTU = 0.70KWh. 0.70KWh = 0.94 HP

it takes 28.95 HP to make enough HHO to make 0.94 HP from the HHO.

now i know i didn't take into account the efficiency of all of this and my math is probably all messed up but i think it should be close.

i have also heard that the HHO acts as a "catalyst" as in it increases the efficiency of the burn of fuel in the cylinders. i now ask how much more BTUs can one get out of the fuel on a clean burning engine anyways. most of the energy is lost out of the exhaust and radiator. somewhere around 70 to 80% of the BTUs is lost from this waste heat. this leaves only 20 to 30% of the fuel to work with.

alright bash away

Jason

As its been mentioned many times in diesel newsgroups at one time there was a prize of 1 million dollars to who ever could prove HHO works and to date I have yet to hear of anyone claiming the Million dollars, also if it worked they would be putting one on every vehicle made and retrofitting the rest with one.

I believe the university of Idaho did a study of browns gas and came up with about 1% more efficiency on a big industrial diesel. There are a lot of studies and no break throughs on it as of yet.

The physics is stacked against it. Use fuel to make alt fuel and somehow get it to become perpetual.

Has anyone made any progress in HHO lately?

currently HHO generators are like:http://tehresistance.files.wordpress..._image_091.jpg

YES! I did! If you want to toss $200 or $300 out your window go play in that fantasy land!!

I did for about 6 months and between an engineer friend of mine and me we became authorities on the subject.

Let me put it to you this way so NO ONE CAN dispute me:

1. Say your engine has a 5.9 liter displacement - OK? At 2000 rpms that means it's sucking in an astounding 2,950 liters of air/fuel mixture PER REVOLUTION - based on the fact that a 4-cycle engine fires (and breathes in) every-other revolution.

2. Even the best HHO scammer will tell you that his "secret" HHO design will only produce 2 liters PER MINUTE.

3. So let's do some HHO math here: So, in TWO minutes that 5.9 liter engine of yours is gonna draw in a whopping 2,950,000 cubic liters of air-fuel mix!!!!

4. Now......take into consideration that HHO generators take power to run them. Power that your alternator makes!!! LOTS of power! the bigger the HHO generator the more power they consume, the more more they draw from your electrical system and the LESS efficient they become!!! Kind of like the opposite of perpetual motion, if you will?

Do you REALLY think that 2 measly liters of HHO is gonna do anything to help your mileage? Hell no it won't! It's like flying over a forest fire and trying to put it out by having 5 stewardess pee on it, out the cabin door!! You'd have to have a HHO generator the size of manhatten in your truck and run it off 5 or 6 separate batteries that aren't connected to your truck's electrical system, in order to do you any NOTICIBLE good!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line? HHO generators in your vehicles are nothing but a scam and I challenge ANY HHO scammer to show me different. DOCUMENTED PROOF.......AS IN AN ON-BOARD COMPUTER THAT SHOWS YOUR MILEAGE, ETC.

Put a sail on your truck. It'll be a LOT cheaper and you'll actually see something from it!!!!!

not to disagree with you but you might want to edit this.

should be something like 1.475 cubic liters per rev and 5,900 cubic liters in two minutes at 2,000 rpm.

with these numbers the HHO to air is something like 0.068% HHO. i would also like to see it proved that this little fuel can do as much work to replace 15% of diesel.

It's not! save your money and time. You can't make enough HHO per minute with one to make a difference.

Anyone who says you can is a scammer.

75 bucks can buy you enough fuel to go a couple hundred miles. an HHO generator will take you nowhere

First off Hydrogen doesn't 'burn" - it EXPLODES!!..........as in BANG! There's nothing controlled about it.

#2. To illustrate how much hydrogen you're gonna get out of a HHO generator as they're being sold by all the scammers on the Internet take an eye dropper full of water and empty it in your favorite fishin' hole Did the banks overflow?

3. To get ANY efficiency out of an HHO generator you'd have to have a bank of batteries in you truck and run several generators off them, then charge the batteries off your house's 110 volt current.

Of course they didn't, and effect that puny HHO generator you can buy will have the SAME effect on your fuel mileage!!!

But if you're the kind of guy who believes no one and have an extra $200-$300 to toss out your window then go for it! Frankly I'd rather invest it in a good steak dinner and a couple Jack & Cokes!!

If you believe in hydrogen generators, you believe in perpetual motion machines!!!!!!!!!!

I put a big vacuum over my batteries and sucked the hydrogen from my batteries as they were charging and got an additional 1000 miles on my tankful!!! :jump::jump::jump:

BALONEY!!! It didn't happen. a battery doesn't produce enough hydrogen to run a lawnmower and there isn't a person here who doesn't know that.

You might as well have said you ate a big bowl of beans and collected farts and burned that!!!!

Next time fill your tank all the way up when you check the mileage!!

I believe he was being sarcastic:jump:. He had to have been.

just curious why does everyone get so heated over disproving this?? and im not trying to piss anyone off and i truly do no know the answer to this question at x amount of rpms does the alternator only produce enough electricity to keep the truck running. in other words if i start pulling 20amps from whatever source while driving 70 down the highway will my millage get any worse?

Would like to see someone prove it. I would love to be able to get improved fuel mileage. The problem is, this is just plain old snake oil with people making a profit selling worthless gadgets and praying on other folks hopes. If they could prove it and make it work they would be billionaires......heck, I would buy the technology if it worked.......so would every Fleet of big rigs

i thought i remember somewhere (may be this thread too) that there was something like a million dollar prize to anyone that could prove it works, as of yet, no one has won it yet.

i saw with my own 2 eyes a setup on a jeep. the guy claimed almost 20mpg apposed to 14mpg he got previously and he was not trying to sell me anything. i know what you mean about snake oil. i just think that the "it takes more power to make it than it creates" argument is too simple of an explanation. i THINK that there would be enough power at say 2k rpm to at least not loose any mpg. if there is i will start turning off the radio and lights while driving...


and the argument about all the automakers would be using it is dumb im not a conspiracy guy or even close and i know better than to think the cars and trucks of today are not capable of getting a lot better fuel mileage.


anyways i wish someone would go into this with an open mind and test the findings on a wide scale with controlled experiments. not test one vehicle at one speed in one place with the same hho design. and not a witch doctor showing bs science on why his snake oil works.

The operative word is "claimed" he got better gas mileage in the jeep. This has been proven ( to fail). Wonder why no one has won the million dollar challenge that has stood for many years? It is because it doesn't work......chemistry proves that......do some research.

I have done the research. And got tired of only finding snake oil salesmen. That's why I wanted to see if anyone has played with it. And as chem I dunno much but the physics doesn't seem to add up to me. The principal that you always loose energy while converting it seems more than logical. But in the same way how does your turbocharger benifit the engine? Puts drag on the flow of exhaust right... and the alternator is already there and spinning causing drag all the time

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And yes yes yes I know the million dollar thing. But wasn't there a post in this very same thread that said research proved a 1% increase or something of the like. I guess they should pay up
:argh:


And has anyone here done it? And I'm not talking 2 copper electrodes in a pickel jar of saltwater

Well if you had done the research, you would know it won't work. Anyone can claim an increase in efficiency.......they just can't prove it......so they should just shut up.