Oil Exploration Theories- Very Interesting Read
#21
09-30-2010, 08:56 PM
I'd be intrested to know if there is more than one way for oil to form, could both be correct. If a person is educated under one theory they may say "no way" to the other theory.
I think alot of people get confused on the dino idea. It's not actually the animals that would have formed the oil. In order for the environment to support very large herbivores there would have to be massive amount of fauna. Some info i have read says that during some huge geologic event (volcanic or astroid) that huge amonts of fauna may have been buried. We know by fossil record that massive amounts of peat moss existed, massive being swamps the size of continents. If this happened it could explain shallow oil deposits. Large amount of oil in the North Sea, Alaska, and Siberia could have come from massive ancient forests being buried. Currently the largest and densest forests in the world ring the northern latitudes. maybe they existed in the past and were buried by ice or other sources. Do to there latitude they may have been cooler and formed more oil. The middle east region was also hugely forested millions of years ago when it was much further south, continental drift models indicate this.
We know that some astroids contain massive amonts of carbon. I believe they are also the most common, but can't recall where i read it. These astroids are also the ones that some scientists beleive could have brought the building blocks of life to earth. Could these astroids have collided with earth hundreds of millions of years ago and been buried deep enough in the crust to be heated and pressurized to the point that they two developed into crude?
I would like to see some of these papers from russian scientist. I would also like to see both sides cross study each others findings. Could both be right?
I think alot of people get confused on the dino idea. It's not actually the animals that would have formed the oil. In order for the environment to support very large herbivores there would have to be massive amount of fauna. Some info i have read says that during some huge geologic event (volcanic or astroid) that huge amonts of fauna may have been buried. We know by fossil record that massive amounts of peat moss existed, massive being swamps the size of continents. If this happened it could explain shallow oil deposits. Large amount of oil in the North Sea, Alaska, and Siberia could have come from massive ancient forests being buried. Currently the largest and densest forests in the world ring the northern latitudes. maybe they existed in the past and were buried by ice or other sources. Do to there latitude they may have been cooler and formed more oil. The middle east region was also hugely forested millions of years ago when it was much further south, continental drift models indicate this.
We know that some astroids contain massive amonts of carbon. I believe they are also the most common, but can't recall where i read it. These astroids are also the ones that some scientists beleive could have brought the building blocks of life to earth. Could these astroids have collided with earth hundreds of millions of years ago and been buried deep enough in the crust to be heated and pressurized to the point that they two developed into crude?
I would like to see some of these papers from russian scientist. I would also like to see both sides cross study each others findings. Could both be right?
Yes massive peat swamps did exist, the Carboniferous Period is named after them, "Coal Bearing". Crude oil is exclusively deep marine in origin. Oil exploration involves both identifying the source rocks and reservoir rocks. Source rocks are deep marine shales, however as the organic kerogen begins to become less viscous it migrates out of the source rock towards the surface. To become a reservoir the hydrocarbons must invade a reservoir rock that is capped or sealed to prevent further migration to the surface.
Papers from Russia would be useless, especially if they are Soviet age. Its guaranteed that the gov't would meddle with such information, if they could starve out millions of people they could and would alter scientific papers and journals.
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10-05-2010, 02:27 AM
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#23
10-05-2010, 08:31 AM
Oil Exploration Theories- Very Interesting Read
Yes there is significant proof, it's amazing what a seed of conspiracy can do to uneducated minds. Kind of like the 9/11 event. Fact, the world is running out of oil, however it's not going to be immediate like some doomsday sayers would have you believe. Why else would energy companies be going after unconventional sources such as oil sands and shale gas? These sources are significantly more expensive to produce from than conventional fields. You only go to these sources when others are running dry. If I have time I will dig up some PEER REVIEWED papers regarding hydrocarbon genesis.
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10-05-2010, 09:04 AM
#25
10-05-2010, 09:21 PM
Diesel Enthusiast
Ya know, my dad back in the 70's worked for Columia Gulf Transmission Co., its kinda like Texas Gas, and Michigan/Wisconsin Gas Pipelines....anyway.... they were drilling wells left and right......back then.....they had 300 well drilled and capped off....they were producing....and plenty of them just straight oil, too.
Just throwin' that out there,.....FYI.....
Just throwin' that out there,.....FYI.....
#27
10-05-2010, 09:29 PM
Ya know, my dad back in the 70's worked for Columia Gulf Transmission Co., its kinda like Texas Gas, and Michigan/Wisconsin Gas Pipelines....anyway.... they were drilling wells left and right......back then.....they had 300 well drilled and capped off....they were producing....and plenty of them just straight oil, too.
Just throwin' that out there,.....FYI.....
Just throwin' that out there,.....FYI.....
There was a reason they plugged em off as soon as they drilled em, no matter if they produced. Can't remember why though.
#28
10-10-2010, 02:32 AM
Diesel Enthusiast
Re: Oil Exploration Theories- Very Interesting Read
You know that the USA has one of the biggest oil reserves on earth right?
Why don't we use it??
Look at it this way,when Saudi Arabia and all those overseas refinerys go dry what do you think happens?
The USA becomes even bigger GIANT and EVERYONE comes to you and relys on you.
BIG BIG money in the governments eyes.
Why don't we use it??
Look at it this way,when Saudi Arabia and all those overseas refinerys go dry what do you think happens?
The USA becomes even bigger GIANT and EVERYONE comes to you and relys on you.
BIG BIG money in the governments eyes.
#29
10-10-2010, 09:11 AM
Diesel Enthusiast
I remember that on the news there was lines in Ca. where folks were running out of fuel, gas rationing had begun. Some stations were only allotted so many gallons......they'd sale out and poeple in line were running outta fuel sitting in lines, violence had broken out in several citys.
I remember my dad saying that there weren't enough processing platforms that could be set on some of the wells that had both oil and gas seperation seperation equipment on them....and he would also say....it was a way to drive the prices up.
When I was a few years younger, I'd go to fill the gas can so I could mow our grass, it was then about .18 to .20 (cents) a gallon. In less than 5 years, it rose to over a $1 a gallon.
Remember when there were price increases the past couple of years ago, you did find a fryer oil being given away or they were being paid to take the stuff off their hands. A year or 2 later, co's were buying their old oils. All the bio diesel folks had geared up to build the veggie oil systems to run off the fryer oil....well people started fighting back and using the oils(business owners) to help fuel their trucks to cut down on operating expenses.
Alot of folks don't know where I'm going with this, better look at the writing on the walls. I belong to SteelSoldiers and Cummins forums, too. There was a fella over at SS that bought a truck, and was fined for using UNTAXABLE DIESEL in his truck he bought. Not OFFROAD DIESEL, UNTAXABLE.
I don't know about you, but this ain't the way to do things. I'm very much into the idea of getting our mileage waaay on up there. If you look.....theres oils out there thats cheap enough to add to our fuel to help fight the high prices. One of them is WEO's or WMO's. Its small, but every little bit helps.
I remember back in the 80's, diesel was about 40 or 45 cents a gallon. The Mercedes folks were sitting pretty, so were the other diesel car folks. What happened? Diesel started flying thru the roof. What is it now, 2.75 a gallon depending on where your at. Here 2 years ago, it was approaching 4.00 and folks started going outta business, people stopped driving their trucks. Thats when the ecomony tanked.
WE had better wake up and smell our OWN coffee!!!
I remember my dad saying that there weren't enough processing platforms that could be set on some of the wells that had both oil and gas seperation seperation equipment on them....and he would also say....it was a way to drive the prices up.
When I was a few years younger, I'd go to fill the gas can so I could mow our grass, it was then about .18 to .20 (cents) a gallon. In less than 5 years, it rose to over a $1 a gallon.
Remember when there were price increases the past couple of years ago, you did find a fryer oil being given away or they were being paid to take the stuff off their hands. A year or 2 later, co's were buying their old oils. All the bio diesel folks had geared up to build the veggie oil systems to run off the fryer oil....well people started fighting back and using the oils(business owners) to help fuel their trucks to cut down on operating expenses.
Alot of folks don't know where I'm going with this, better look at the writing on the walls. I belong to SteelSoldiers and Cummins forums, too. There was a fella over at SS that bought a truck, and was fined for using UNTAXABLE DIESEL in his truck he bought. Not OFFROAD DIESEL, UNTAXABLE.
I don't know about you, but this ain't the way to do things. I'm very much into the idea of getting our mileage waaay on up there. If you look.....theres oils out there thats cheap enough to add to our fuel to help fight the high prices. One of them is WEO's or WMO's. Its small, but every little bit helps.
I remember back in the 80's, diesel was about 40 or 45 cents a gallon. The Mercedes folks were sitting pretty, so were the other diesel car folks. What happened? Diesel started flying thru the roof. What is it now, 2.75 a gallon depending on where your at. Here 2 years ago, it was approaching 4.00 and folks started going outta business, people stopped driving their trucks. Thats when the ecomony tanked.
WE had better wake up and smell our OWN coffee!!!
Last edited by Screamin' Metal; 10-10-2010 at 09:15 AM.
#30
10-10-2010, 09:30 AM
Oil Exploration Theories- Very Interesting Read
You know that the USA has one of the biggest oil reserves on earth right?
Why don't we use it??
Look at it this way,when Saudi Arabia and all those overseas refinerys go dry what do you think happens?
The USA becomes even bigger GIANT and EVERYONE comes to you and relys on you.
BIG BIG money in the governments eyes.
Why don't we use it??
Look at it this way,when Saudi Arabia and all those overseas refinerys go dry what do you think happens?
The USA becomes even bigger GIANT and EVERYONE comes to you and relys on you.
BIG BIG money in the governments eyes.
If it's oil shale you can't really call it oil, it's kerogen an immature hydrocarbon, looks more like chap stick than crude. However look for the Marcellus and green river shales to pop up once crude oil jumps in price. The issue is that you have to heat the rock to upgrade the kerogen, the cost of oil has to be high for it to be economical.
Also where does the US get most of it's oil ?
It's not the middle east, it's Canada.
