SeaFoam
#21
Alcohol is real tough on the lubricity of diesel fuel. I advise against using it, especially with newer sensitive (non oil lubricated) injector pumps. Sea Foam is great in gasoline engines, and I've used it extensively in the past. But I won't dump it in a diesel, and certainly not with my VP44. Power Service, AMSOIL, Howes, Schaffers, and the majority of true diesel fuel manufacturers do not use alcohol and strongly advise against it in diesel fuel systems. There are ways to treat, stabilize, anti-gel, and add detergency to your fuel without Alcohol. I don't care what the SeaFoam bottle says about being fine for diesel use.
-Chuck
-Chuck
I had the kid run the Sea Foam idea by his instructors at his Automotive diesel school and they are the ones that suggested filling the cannister with it and not running it in the tank of fuel or even using a vaccum line. Most of them are past technical reps for the different engine makers all with many decades in the diesel industry. I was pretty skeptical about it until then also. They deffinatley don't reccommend using most of these common truck stop additives in the fuel tank.
#23
same here..... i've done it a few times.... it stinks like hell when it is burning but clears up after a few minutes........ seems to run a little smoother for me too......
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CHenry (08-14-2007)
#24
I don't remember the rest of the the brands ingredients, PS is almost completely paint thinnner they just list it as Namptha. So ya techincally it's not alcohol but just as drying and it runs through the system during the entire tank load.
I had the kid run the Sea Foam idea by his instructors at his Automotive diesel school and they are the ones that suggested filling the cannister with it and not running it in the tank of fuel or even using a vaccum line. Most of them are past technical reps for the different engine makers all with many decades in the diesel industry. I was pretty skeptical about it until then also. They deffinatley don't reccommend using most of these common truck stop additives in the fuel tank.
I had the kid run the Sea Foam idea by his instructors at his Automotive diesel school and they are the ones that suggested filling the cannister with it and not running it in the tank of fuel or even using a vaccum line. Most of them are past technical reps for the different engine makers all with many decades in the diesel industry. I was pretty skeptical about it until then also. They deffinatley don't reccommend using most of these common truck stop additives in the fuel tank.
I don't care if the tech or not... But the simple truth is like Duluth Diesel said... Seafoam is a alcohol base cleaner if you run that alone through you fuel system you are stripping all lubricant from the part inside you VP44 and injectors... Just like if you dumped your crankcase and put 11 quarts of seafoam through it and ran it. How long do you expect the bearing in the engine, IP, LP, injectors to hold up at that abuse??? Remember the fuel system on a Cummins is lubricated by the fuel. (Note!).
I figure someone will be changing out a VP44 pump soon and it won't be me...
NOTE! - Except the P7100 pumps which are lubed by engine oil. All other are lubed by the fuel.
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cashwheel (08-15-2007)
#25
You got to remember...
I don't care if the tech or not... But the simple truth is like Duluth Diesel said... Seafoam is a alcohol base cleaner if you run that alone through you fuel system you are stripping all lubricant from the part inside you VP44 and injectors... Just like if you dumped your crankcase and put 11 quarts of seafoam through it and ran it. How long do you expect the bearing in the engine, IP, LP, injectors to hold up at that abuse??? Remember the fuel system on a Cummins is lubricated by the fuel. (Note!).
I figure someone will be changing out a VP44 pump soon and it won't be me...
NOTE! - Except the P7100 pumps which are lubed by engine oil. All other are lubed by the fuel.
I don't care if the tech or not... But the simple truth is like Duluth Diesel said... Seafoam is a alcohol base cleaner if you run that alone through you fuel system you are stripping all lubricant from the part inside you VP44 and injectors... Just like if you dumped your crankcase and put 11 quarts of seafoam through it and ran it. How long do you expect the bearing in the engine, IP, LP, injectors to hold up at that abuse??? Remember the fuel system on a Cummins is lubricated by the fuel. (Note!).
I figure someone will be changing out a VP44 pump soon and it won't be me...
NOTE! - Except the P7100 pumps which are lubed by engine oil. All other are lubed by the fuel.
There's the expert, I was wondering when you would step in, and gentlemen I have read so much info put together by Mopar1973Man it makes my head hurt, He knows what he's talking about, alot of research behind his posts, not just jiberish like me Thanks again Mike
#26
This will be my last public post in concerns to 2 cycle oil. Once again someone ruined it for everyone else. They started contacting Gov't agencies and big companies. I don't need to be threaten and/or sued by either one.
so As of tonight I've delete my entire web site including my 2 cycle oil information. I will no longer PUBLICLY discuss the use of 2 cycle oil usage in diesels.
As for all my friends out there PM me I will continue the discussion in private email.
As for the people that ruined for everyone else... I've got nothing to lose because I will continue to research the theory even more. But you'll never have the knowledge I do...
so As of tonight I've delete my entire web site including my 2 cycle oil information. I will no longer PUBLICLY discuss the use of 2 cycle oil usage in diesels.
As for all my friends out there PM me I will continue the discussion in private email.
As for the people that ruined for everyone else... I've got nothing to lose because I will continue to research the theory even more. But you'll never have the knowledge I do...
#27
Mike, I'd be the first guy to agree with you and your research on this. But we are not suggesting to drain your fuel tank and fill it with Sea Foam and not even mixing it in with fuel and running it through the tank. Were talkin about one pint or quart can, can't remember which it is, of the stuff that will be completely run through and out of the system within seconds and then fuel with it's included lubricicity following right behind it. Being alcohol based I'm not even worried about any making it through the return lines and back to the tank. It would evaporate on contact with the heat and thus why you get the cloud of smoke rolling out of the tailpipe even at an idle.
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CHenry (08-16-2007)
#29
Here we go...
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place
For you guys that like Power Service, AMSOil, Marvel Mystery Oil, and Lucas you might want to read this!
2 Cycle is still a cheap and very good lubricant additive!
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place
For you guys that like Power Service, AMSOil, Marvel Mystery Oil, and Lucas you might want to read this!
2 Cycle is still a cheap and very good lubricant additive!
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BACONBITSFORU (09-14-2011)
#30
Here we go...
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place
For you guys that like Power Service, AMSOil, Marvel Mystery Oil, and Lucas you might want to read this!
2 Cycle is still a cheap and very good lubricant additive!
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place
For you guys that like Power Service, AMSOil, Marvel Mystery Oil, and Lucas you might want to read this!
2 Cycle is still a cheap and very good lubricant additive!
-Chuck