I think the only refineries we should be building are great big biodiesel plants.

Anyone south of the freeze line should be running biodiesel year round.

People north of the line should be using it for summer.

Screw the refineries. I'd rather take the power (and the product) away from the few big oil companies and put all that money back into our hands.

 

That would be great Murph and as we speak OK is getting a new Bio-D plant down south somewhere i heard. Problem is i think only like 1-2% of american cars and trucks are diesel. That will increase over the next few years i am sure....its already been increasing but i don't know how much.

 

There are as I understand 6 new ethanol plants being constructed here in Ohio, 2 of which are near me. The one is up in Lima where a HUGE oil refinery already exists. By September of this year they are supposed to start buying corn and be able to store 1.06 million bushels. For the grain farmer this is a great chance for an added market for the grain. And I also feel we need to give it a chance and continue ways to pull our dependancy off of crude oil as the MAIN source of fuel,especially imported crude. The public cries about the high cost of fuel but the minute some one tries to find new ways of producing energy the public cries foul and gets in a rip roar. I see that happening just east of me about 30 miles. There is a proposal to build Wind Turbines for electric and now there is this big public outcry saying how it will make too much noise, kill birds, ruin the view, cost more than it can produce, any stupid excuse you can imagine has been thrown out on the table. I would have NO problem having a Turbine near me as long as I know the distance to my home is safe enough in case the tower did collapse. Outside of that I am for any common sense proposal to find alternate sources of energy and fuel. The public has had life TOO easy and now when it starts to pinch and hit home directly they dont like it and dont know how to deal. We all have to face the fact our current lifestyles have been built around the use of fuel and IF we want to continue that we will have to be willing to look at ALL options on the table and allow it to be given a true chance.

 

Doesn't Bio start to gel at 40*, how many place don't drop into the 40s during the winter? And for those of us that go to cooler temps what do we drive in circles until we run our tanks out of Bio before we get to cooler weather, and what do truck drivers do? How much is it going to dive up the prices of Bio to install pipe lines to move the fuel? So the fuel prices are all "big oil's" fault?

 

I have been runnin bio-diesel now for 2 years. I run it as a 10% blend down to 20 below and no problems. Soon as the temps get 50* and above I run B100. I am very happy with it. The major concern with building more bio plants is the fact of competion for grain. With so many ethanol plants being built that it is very hard to get corn unless you contract . We have to do this now for our feedlot. The making of ethanol is getting more and more efficient every day. Now they are looking at crop residue and forestry by-products and so forth for ethanol and bio-diesel. It is a great start, just pray we dont have a major drought in the US or that industry will get screwed !! The competion for grain for the use of fuel, manufacturing, feed, and food is getting extreme. Sad to say but it will get ugly!