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Old 07-08-2008, 11:40 AM
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UK government set out a new approach to biofuels, including that the introduction of biofuels in the UK should be slowed down to take into account emerging scientific evidence about their sustainability.

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People, particularly westernized governments need to get their heads out of their collective rear ends. Bio Fuels should not be grown in place of food for people - these are the waste aspects of that crop that should be burnt or harvested to provide a fuel source. Lots can be learned from Central America on that end.

Eat the corn, harvest the stock. Throw out your kitchen waste and instead of storing it in a land fill burn it in a biomass system to generate power...
 
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Just went through a similar argument on Arboristsite.com, as follows:

While Ethanol may cut into food stocks slightly (only derivatives from dent corn are edible, not the corn itself), what left at the end of the process is distillers corn, which can still be used as feed for anything from dairy cattle, to poultry, to pullet feed. It does not cut into food for us like sweet corn would. Sure, we may lose a bit of High Fructose corn syrup from the deal, but in all honesty, we consume way too much of it as it is!

Other things like Biodiesel or Algae Butanol have absolutely no ill effect on the food supply. We can't eat algae, at all, period. However dairy farmers love that its extremely high in protein, and the Holsteins don't seem to mind it too much, just makes more milk!

Soy is used in a lot of products, including some bio-diesels. Yes, it'll bump the price of food a hair, but it'll drop the price of transporting the food to the market, so its effect is nill. We can't eat Canola, or Rapeseed, but it makes excellent fuel, and it does it rather cheaply at that. Which means that instead of a farmer having to spend $12,000 a year on fuel for his tractors alone, he can spend $10,000 on bio-fuel, and guess where those savings are reflected? IN THE PRICE OF THE CROP.

I'm as conservative as any, but honest to god, know what your talking about before you blindly believe things that Rush or any other right winger says, they lie just as often as the liberal whacko's. Would you rather fund terrorism buying gas, or support the troops family's through buying their crops at a buck more per bushel? I rest my case...
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I'm in no way saying that bio-fuel production doesn't increase food prices, what I am saying, is that its not even close to 75%. Statistics can be construed anyway the writer wants them to be, you know it as well as I do.

You grew up on a farm, and your telling me you want them to make an honest buck? We work more in a month than most White Collar Americans do in a year. And guess, what, we already get subsidies from Uncle Sam, its called tax exemption, lost crop payouts, and disaster insurance... Who else gets that?

As far as animal feeds go, yea, bio-fuels make them. You don't eat raw soybeans do you? I didn't think so... However if you drink milk, eat chicken or turkey, eggs, beef, or pork, your eating that soy meal that is the by-product of bio-diesel production. Use soap, take pills, wear make up (I hope not, but I bet your significant other does)? Guess where a lot of the glycerin comes from, Bio-diesel production...

Do you eat Dent Corn? Nope. Do we ever have a shortage of sweet corn crop in this country? Nope. Do you like munching on Canola seed when the time strikes? Nope... Get the picture?

Sure, farmland is going to be planted with whats profitable to the farmer, its called capitalism. Should he plant sweet corn to feed you cheaply then go home to his family with just enough money to put some rice and pinto's on his dinner table? Please...

Things aren't ever gonna be as cheap as they were, get over it, and stop whining. Even if we drilled for oil and had it pumping tomorrow (which won't happen, it'll take 10 years after they OK Alaskan Drilling to see any oil from it), prices wouldn't be back at $2 a gallon.

Guess what, OIL WILL RUN OUT. It may not be for 100 year, maybe 200, but it will run out. Then what? Let our great grand children deal with it? Sounds a little juvenile to me...

FYI, Bio-diesel costs less than 20% more to make than Petrol Diesel, has better lubrication characteristics, lower emissions, and smells better than petrol fuel. It increases engine life, overhaul schedules, and engine oil life; it is a superior fuel in every aspect, if we invested in it now, production costs would come down, making it cheaper than petrol fuel, and with Algae research booming, it may be pennies on the dollar to make bio-diesel compared to petrol diesel in 50 years. But you just keep on bashing bio-fuels to save yourself a few dollars every year, then wonder why your kids can't afford to put you in a nursing home when the time comes, and oil is $400 a barrel.
 
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