5.9L CR Performance Discussion of 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with Common Rail Injection Related To Performance And Longevity

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Old 10-28-2010, 11:57 AM
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JagsDiesel thanks for the advice man. Its funny that you mention the manifold cause i just picked up an AFE Bladerunner for a steal and couldn't leave it. I think that I am going to take your advice and do the injectors first and just keep my programmer tuned down until the rest of the upgrades are done. When I do the injectors the head studs and Air Dog are going on as well so it will be a while before the CP3 and turbo go on but hey thats the name of the game. So who has the best deal on injectors and head studs?
 
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:29 PM
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I am running almost exactly what you are talking about on my truck. Mine is an 03 5.9L. I am running the following mods.

Industrial Injections Silver 66
Dual CP3's
220 horse injectors
Air Dog 150
ARP Head Studs
BD Diesel 2 piece exhaust manifold
BD Intercooler and intake manifold
AFE Stage 2 cold air intake
Fluidampnr
South Bend Iron Giant 2 clutch
Edge Juice w/ Attitude Stacked with a Smarty Revo TNT firmware
Stock valve springs, cam, headgasket, ect. ect.

I have been to more dyno events than I care to remember. Mostly for advertising purposes. My best at this point was 733 on a good loading dyno with Smarty on 7 Edge on 3. Worst I have ever seen was 623 with Smarty only. I drive this truck every single day and I have been running this settup for over 3 years now with no breakage or issues other than a few clutches. I towed a 35' triple axle goose neck loaded to about 20,000 Pounds on a daily basis for 2 years.

I hope this is helpful in your build. Feel free to call anytime and pick my brain as well. 208-777-1977
 
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:34 PM
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If your looking for a price you might want to be specific. On the injectors for example.
Are you looking for full body or just the nozzels? If thats know its easier to quote.

Back to the keeping the programing down. You need to be religous of that. If you crank the progrming up and don't have the fuel to keep up with the injectors you might crack a tip and the worst case it gose through an engine.

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I have been to more dyno events than I care to remember. Mostly for advertising purposes. My best at this point was 733 on a good loading dyno with Smarty on 7 Edge on 3. Worst I have ever seen was 623 with Smarty only. I drive this truck every single day and I have been running this settup for over 3 years now with no breakage or issues other than a few clutches. I towed a 35' triple axle goose neck loaded to about 20,000 Pounds on a daily basis for 2 years.

I hope this is helpful in your build. Feel free to call anytime and pick my brain as well. 208-777-1977
With a stick you can get away with the single 66 and towing heavy with that kinda fuel.
You can hold a gear longer to keep the rpm's up so you don't fall under the turbo.
Not so easly done with an auto trans.
 

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Old 10-28-2010, 12:37 PM
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Id look at twins with if you have an auto for that horsepower it would work way better IMO. It will be way better than the a large single charger unless you got a cam to help it out.
 

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Old 10-28-2010, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jagsdiesel
With a stick you can get away with the single 66 and towing heavy with that kinda fuel.
You can hold a gear longer to keep the rpm's up so you don't fall under the turbo.
Not so easly done with an auto trans.
Absolutely! I wouldn't try running this setup on an auto unless you do a cam and an aggressive torque converter.

My buddy Billy Martone is running the exact same setup as me on his 06 auto and we did an Industrial Injections cam and valve springs to get it to spool better. We also did an external waste gate to help with turbo surge. It took a little more time to get his truck tuned properly but it can be done.

Twins on an auto would be a more efficient build.
 
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:09 AM
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Thanks for the all help trying to help me figure all this out. As for the torque converter yes im going with an aggressive triple billet. As for the twins of couse I would love to run twins but Im not going to be doing that much towing and the towing that I will be doing will be light no more that 8000 10000 max. With a Silver Bullet will I be able to spool it with an auto or will I be fighting boost pressures? Main reason I was looking at the Silver Bullet was the amount of power it can produce, and is rather reasonably priced when coming other turbos of the same size. Haven't ruled out twins just the wallet is only so big. Again thanks for all the advice so far, and please if you have any ideas chime on in!
 
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:25 AM
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I wouldn't go with a 66mm than. I'd go with a 64mm tops.
What rear end gears do you have, 4.10's or 3.73's?
This will make a difference of how easy the turbo will come to life.
The problem with an auto is not getting the turbo to go but when the truck grabs overdrive and torque converter is locked you uaualy will fall under the turbos map range and bark the turbo.
 
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:39 AM
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The problem with a large single on a auto truck is that its hard to keep the boost up on shifts like us handshaker guys. And they are really surgey unless you wastegate it externally. Thats why we have to use cams agressive converters and valve springs etc
 
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:19 AM
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Thanks for the advice fellas. Rear end has the 3:73 gears and way later down the road I may put on a small lift with 35's but for right now the wallet is only open for performance mods. Now if I went with the 64mm silver or similar turbo will that get me to my performance goals? Twins would be great but the wallet is only so big. Also if I went with the 64mm which sounds like the better turbo should I go with 120HPish sticks or 150HPish sticks? Also I am planning on only buying injector nozzles and not the whole injector. Thanks again for all the help so far fellas! Oh and can anyone answer whats the difference between drive pressure and boost presure? I know what boost pressure is but whats drive pressure and where does that play into picking a turbo?
 
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:02 PM
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Drive pressure is the difference between boost and pressure at the exhaust manifold. Its basically the measure of resistance. Ideally you want a 1:1 drive pressure ratio so if you build 40 psi boost you want 40 psi at the exhaust manifold
 

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