Smarty ?'s
 

what linda horse power gains could i expect with just a smarty? on a stock truck?

about 60-70 for a vp truck, not a whole lot but its about the norm for a programmer.

You get more HP/TQ from a Edge Comp...

But you can gain bottom end with a Smarty / Edge Comp stack but the upper end HP will be slightly lower...

I won't do it without gauges or a fuel pump though.

Ditto on gauges, fuel system.

Heres a dyno run i made in 07 both stock and with a smarty programmer on SW9 (highest you can go)

Green = Stock
Red = Smarty SW9
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Would you rather have a smarty or an edge juice with attitude which do you think is the best one.

I noticed a way bigger power gain with the smarty, but not to much with the edge,

well i was reading and the biggest gains were like 75 hp and thats with injectors and stuff..this was on pmtdiesel.com can you get much smoke from a smarty?

if you can only get one, get the edge...if you plan on doing any racing w/ it or trying to go big on the dyno, the smarty is gonna hold you back...with that said, it is just flat out mean to stack it with the edge...yes, top end power will be lower but the low end is unreal...most guys will run the stack on the road because we never really get to use the top end...come track/dyno time, the smarty comes off...and yes, the smarty will smoke...stack the edge & the smarty and it becomes a blackout....

Well i know if i just get the smarty ill have to buy gauges and i really like the fact that edge has the safety features and you can monitor all diff kinds of parameters and adjust on the fly....but i have a buddy with a 05 common rail and he has an edge and has all kinds of problems with it, i just want some alright hp gains and some good smoke from a chip for now, cuz when i get home from AIT is when im doin injectors and pumps and all that good stuff also i know someone i can get a smarty from for like 450 just don't know what to do any inputs?? im more of a on road competition person

it may be differant on your truck but I really like the smarty on my 05, I can get it smoking like crazy up shift and let it lug

yah your probably right, i know a guy that roams around in the neighboring county and he has a smarty on his cr and it smokes alright but his is only an auto... i lug mine and it dont do anything for the smoke... just when i romp on it taking off it bleches out a nice little cloud

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forgot something in that last post: what setting you usually run yours on?

level 9 but my clutch is slipping so the truck is back to stock at the moment

smarty for the common rail and for vp trucks are two different animals...cant even compare them...smarty is the way to go w/ the common rails but def. wont do as much for a vp truck...get the edge w/ the gauges and be set...get a lift pump though right away to make sure that vp stays alive...

i have an 04.5 ctd HO with a 6 spd trans. i was thinkin on doing a smarty on it, but is it a pain to switch between stages while driving around or do most of you guys kinda "set it and forget it"

you cant just switch it while driving it takes about 10-15 minutes to change the settings

i just bought a smarty for mine. i got a bunch of supporting mods done to mine, but smarty is the only programmer on it. mine will black out the highway where u cant see behind u. i drove it 10 miles with out it today and man i wanted it back on there. trying the fuel saver mode now to see how it does.

now on a stock truck. while mine was down over the weekend we put the smarty on jw's 01 dodge. it made a big seat of the feel dyno difference from the power puck he has. on take off he said the power puck felt stronger, but every other aspect the smarty made it feel stronger, made it faster and made it smoke. it smoked on every shift in his 6 speed. lug 6 gear and it will leave a trail. hope this is beneficial to ya.

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i can switch it in 5 minutes, and thats switching it from one truck to another. no u cant do it on the fly but it is worth the wait imo

Smarty POD

I love the smarty. I run it day in and day out. The turbo seems to spool faster. With the cold weather, the high idle is awesome. I only turn the edge on to play. I noticed a big difference when the edge is on, after I put the RV275 injectors in. With the smarty, I adjusted my tire height so my speedometer is just about spot on. Plus the smarty gives me any codes, I need to see and allows me to clear them easily.

Just my $.02 :U:

On my 06 with just the smarty, xdi true flow intake and mbrp stacks. On level 9 i put down 508hp 1080ft tq.

will a smarty throw any codes or lights on the dash?????

as far as i know, ive never heard it throwing any. and if it does, u can clear them with the smarty.

well im thinkin about getting that smarty a gettin a comp box later on...i just havent decided cuz i plan on puttin my truck back to stock before i leave for three months, cuz im goin to let my dad borrow it so i dont really wanna have to unplug the edge juice so i was thinkin about gettin that smarty, so i can set it backk to its stock setting really easy...if i do that should i still get a litf pump and if so what you think is the better application for my truck

I would get the juice and be done with it. that way you have gauges and that saves you from buying them if you end up with just a smarty for a while you need gauges no matter what you run for a programmer. For the install of the juice just don't tap the wire and the gain will only be a max of 80. You get the all important fuel pressure gauge with the juice. You can always set the juice on 0 and don't show him how to change it. Set the alarms for temps and low pressure so if something goes crazy it really tells you about it. thats my opinion on it.

YOu mean don't tap the wire on the injection pump? I really would like to roll some pretty good smoke and i heard you cant really do it that well with a edge juice. I will be gettin injectors and lift pump when i get home. He would figure out how to use the edge, and i know that he would be hard on it. So ill probably just get a gauges and that smarty and do some stackin when i get home. Or sell the smarty and gauges and buy an edge juice. I appreciate your input though, your all alot of help.

edge juice and sticks will roll coal (150 or greater injector)...my truck will block out a good 4 lanes with plenty to spare....id really say get the edge and just leave it on the lower setting...if you think he is gonna pound on it, you can always turn down the low end boost to make it a little milder...

Yah but going with 150+ injectors im kind of worried about my injection pump, really dont feel like spending that upwards of 1700 on a new one...injectors and pump are later on this year when i get back... cant you just unplug the edge and everything be allright...i like the look of individual gauges better then seein a little monitor on my pillar...just cant really decide what exactly i want to do to my truck... i want to be able to roll some good smoke, have a truck that sits you back in your seat, and is a good comp. on the streets with these little fast and furious cars and other diesels around...any inputs?

whether you go with the smarty or the edge, you're gonna want to get a lift pump (air dog/fass)...get that on there and you wont (or shouldnt) have to worry about your pump going south on you...rolling stupid amounts of smoke it gonna require more than one thing (not just a box or injectors)...a programer and sticks is gonna make your truck quick...smarty in itself will not be as fast as the edge, and the smarty stacked with the edge will actually take away a little top end...keep in mind that you're gonna need to start saving for a clutch as well...if you dont like the look of the box, you can get the drag comp (same hp rating) or do what i did...i got 3 on the pillar, one lone one setting next to the pillar on the dash and the edge display mounted on top of the steering wheel...

Well I got a question... I have an old XZT Box, one that taps the pump wire. How well does one of these things stack with a Smarty? Its only the 60 or 65HP box, and remember its NOT the XZT+ (which plugs into the data plug).

is it adding timing? i would think you could stack it with the smarty, so long as the smarty is run on the odd umbers...

yes you can just unplug the map sensor part of the edge(leave map sensor plugged in with no edge wires) and leave the data port plugged in it will work great for gauges that way. That way it's a stock truck till the map sensor is plugged in I did this today to test my apps if the edge was messing with it and still threw code added a spare apps my dad had and no codes.

Well i think i should just wait til i get back so that i can afford to buy all the stuff i want at one time so i dont mess somethings up...thanks for everything

Yeah, it adds timing, so the Smarty couldn't. I was just hoping somebody here had run that stack before. Its a lot like the Edze EZ.

The Edge gets boost readings from the MAP sensor.

well you would have most of the gauges you needed. but sounds like the right choice waiting till he gets back and making it the way he wants it

yah i think thats what im going to do i just really want some more power and smoke now to have a little bit of fun before i leave but i just dont feel like spendin a bunch of money to get the truck how i want and needs to be if im not goin to be drivin it for three months

If you just want to make smoke, do us all a favor and just throw a few gallons of gas on it, light it and walk away.

Sorry guys, but making smoke just for the sake of it seems a bit dumb in todays world. Don't get me wrong, I use the loud petal to back off tailgaters on occasion, but smoking out neighborhoods is only gonna put an end to the fun we can have with these trucks. :hijack:

Now that I am off my soapbox, I can black out both directions of a freeway if I choose too. I ran a Smarty with a TST for quite some time waiting for them to work out the bugs. They never did, so I went back to a Juice.

Way more driveable, no surging, I could use my cruise again, on the fly adjustability and I did not have to clean off my quarters after just driving to the corner.

The 3rd gen Smarty is completely different than the 2nd gen. Since I use my truck for running down the hiway and towing my boat. I needed somethign that would be comfortable to drive, get good economy and work as advertised. Even an Edge EZ was an improvement. Also, the truck simply noses over with any stack with the Smarty. The Juice is simply faster and more powerful.

I know guys like the Smarty, but with big sticks, tall gears and larger than stock rubber, it's just flat twitchy.

Dave

yah well i didnt join to hear smart ass comments but thanks for your input

Hey, anytime!

Dave

but he has a great point here with the issue of smoke etc. It's getting to the point some do it just because they can and new laws and checks are being put in place. Here in cali it's going to suck... they are going to smoke test, check turbo and exhaust, plug into computer to see if you have a programmer etc. He isn't saying not to want smoke, but to use it wisely.