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blowinsmoke12v 10-18-2010 09:44 PM

help on turbo decision!
 
i have a 1996 12 valve..cold air intake 4 inch exhause stock turbo 370s 215 pump and no plate at the moment now im wondering since my truck smokes like a whore...should i be thinking about upgrading my turbo and if i should what should i go to that wont destroy my bank and make good flow?

12workinprogress 10-19-2010 12:11 AM

Should be thinking about a tranny upgrade before anything. A turbo wont destroy your bank like a tranny will when you need a new one. Save a lot of money upgrade your tranny and not have to worry about it later. Then start looking into turbos that will fit your needs and budget for the time being. Deciding what turbo to get is hard because what will work for you now might not work down the road. Even if you are done adding more go fast things to your truck. You could take up a new hobby or job that will require you to tow heavy loads new turbo time. I love my truck and everything about diesels but its never ending. Always changing things up adding more go fast parts its a virus of the worst or best kind. Sorry for the long response to a simple question had a little extra time on my hands.

redrocket9793 10-19-2010 12:15 AM

Is it auto or standard trans? And I have a 40 right now but spool up sucks and they have weaker shafts thaen the 35's so keep that in mind if u lef of the pedal fast

monster12valve 10-19-2010 06:16 AM

im going with a super b special or hx35 ht3b twin setup... havent decided which yet.. got a little more time before i have the spare funds:argh:

bsnyder47 10-19-2010 07:39 AM

I'm getting an aurora 3000

blowinsmoke12v 10-19-2010 10:22 AM

i have a built suncoast it the truck auto so now im just looking for a turbo that will move some air...i have no clue where to start id like to do twins...but HA i would dick it all up soo....lookin for just a bolt on single

94 12valve 10-19-2010 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by blowinsmoke12v (Post 638607)
i have a 1996 12 valve..cold air intake 4 inch exhause stock turbo 370s 215 pump and no plate at the moment now im wondering since my truck smokes like a whore...should i be thinking about upgrading my turbo and if i should what should i go to that wont destroy my bank and make good flow?

your 33 min away from me, If you would like some help let me know

Alligator Vinny 10-19-2010 11:58 AM

Look into a Super Phat Shaft 62 from Industrial Injections. I ran one on my 03 Cummins for years and loved it. When I upgraded to my current Silver 66 I sold it to my buddy Darren for his 96 12 valve. He has been running it for 3 years now and he loves it. It spools like a stock turbo but runs much cooler. It also doesn't surge with his auto tranny which is always nice.

I'm not a parts cheer leader but I have had a lot of turbos over the years and that was by far one of the best I ever had. Industrial's turbos will stand up to a lot of abuse!

blowinsmoke12v 10-19-2010 12:24 PM

what did he have done to his 12 valve?

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oh man 1850 for the phat shaft 62 :s:

Alligator Vinny 10-19-2010 12:24 PM

HE has a fuel plate, stock injectors balanced and shimmed, AFC housing is tweaked and a cold air intake. Nothing really crazy.

blowinsmoke12v 10-19-2010 02:04 PM

yeah i wish i could afford it damn :nope:

Alligator Vinny 10-19-2010 02:18 PM

It is worth every penny. Save up and get what you pay for. Also hit me up for Diesel Bombers Member pricing any time:c:

94 12valve 10-19-2010 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by blowinsmoke12v (Post 638851)
yeah i wish i could afford it damn :nope:

don't forget your also gonna need a new down pipe for it. HX 40 style

blowinsmoke12v 10-19-2010 03:56 PM

i would love some 5 inch for my truck i heard it aint cheap though

12valvetater 10-19-2010 07:36 PM

63/68-12 gated.

blowinsmoke12v 10-19-2010 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by 12valvetater (Post 639009)
63/68-12 gated.

wow what did that even mean you got my ass sooo confused:s:

94 12valve 10-19-2010 09:14 PM

63mm compressor 68mm turbine wheel with a 12cm wastegated housing. For comparison SPS 62 is a 62 mm compressor with a 71mm turbine and a 14 cm housing.

blowinsmoke12v 10-19-2010 09:54 PM

what mm is hx35? and whats the bigger wastegate housing get me? more boost?

94 12valve 10-19-2010 09:57 PM

IIRC an hx 35 is 56mm ( been a while since I messed with one) the bigger housing will give better top end flow, and the wastegate will allow better boost control

blowinsmoke12v 10-19-2010 10:14 PM

so then how come you can go too big with a turbo? will it move too much air and get no power kinda like back compression?

94 12valve 10-20-2010 11:15 AM

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bigger chargers are harder to get lit and stay on top of unless you have the rpm, fuel, and engine efficiency to do so.

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stock wh1c on the left s465 non ETT on the right

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blowinsmoke12v 10-20-2010 09:32 PM

whats non ETT?

94 12valve 10-20-2010 09:41 PM

non Extended Tip Technology wheel

12valvetater 10-20-2010 10:09 PM

ETT is the way to go David...

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I just looked at that picture again and that's the turbo laying on my porch right now. Too bad it ate chunks of aluminum, I would have liked to pay it forward to someone.

blowinsmoke12v 10-20-2010 11:25 PM

i want that big ass one it looks ridiculous

blazier18 10-21-2010 04:48 AM

i got a 3 inch down pipe cut real short into a 4'' then 8 feet of 5''. not cheap. and im in the same boat as u needing a turbo but i dont know much on which numbers to get. im onb wtb in the armory nobody replied back but u should do that also.

blowinsmoke12v 10-21-2010 09:02 AM

ok cool will do thanks

94 12valve 10-21-2010 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by 12valvetater (Post 639652)
ETT is the way to go David...

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I just looked at that picture again and that's the turbo laying on my porch right now. Too bad it ate chunks of aluminum, I would have liked to pay it forward to someone.

this was taken before it was on my truck and before the compressor wheel was changed :)

I have seen the difference in the non ETT and ETT wheels and I agree with ya tater

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Originally Posted by blowinsmoke12v (Post 639691)
i want that big ass one it looks ridiculous

for what your after you do not want that charger

blowinsmoke12v 10-21-2010 04:04 PM

well i want to keep my speed but be able to tow..so does that give yall an idea?

BAD ASS RAM 10-21-2010 06:00 PM

eBay has a Borg Warner s362 and it has a small exaust housing so it will spool good and it's not some cheap knock off of something us it's only about $800 that's what I would do because that's what I'm gonna do

Saams69 10-21-2010 07:13 PM

Re: help on turbo decision!
 
So would the s465 work as a single?

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blowinsmoke12v 10-21-2010 08:02 PM

yeah it will

94 12valve 10-21-2010 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Saams69 (Post 640095)
So would the s465 work as a single?

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works fine on my puller :tu: for a street truck It could work with a tighter exhaust housing ... but you would like an s300 frame charger much better

Saams69 10-21-2010 09:54 PM

Re: help on turbo decision!
 
I was thinking of just doing twins with my hx35 and a ht60. But a big single would be cool also.

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blowinsmoke12v 10-22-2010 10:00 AM

i wish i knew how twins worked

94 12valve 10-22-2010 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by blowinsmoke12v (Post 640324)
i wish i knew how twins worked

smaller turbo ( seconday) is bolted to the exhaust manifold, the exhaust pipe comming off the secondary is piped into the turbine housing of the bigger turbo ( primary), the exhaust comming off the primary hooks up to your exhaust pipe and out to the back of the truck.

The primary charger gets its air from the air intake, compresses it, discharges it into the secondary, compresses it again, then discharges into your intercooler and in to the motor.

blowinsmoke12v 10-22-2010 11:27 AM

how is it piped in to the turbine housing and still pulling air from the air intake?

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haha im an idiot i just figured it out but where does the pipe from your intercooler hook on to

94 12valve 10-22-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blowinsmoke12v (Post 640379)
how is it piped in to the turbine housing and still pulling air from the air intake?

the exhaust is piped into the turbine housing the compressor intake is from the intake system.

here is a pic

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blowinsmoke12v 10-22-2010 11:33 AM

i see the pipe that goes into the intercooler but the one that comes off the top of the motor where does that plug in

94 12valve 10-22-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blowinsmoke12v (Post 640387)
i see the pipe that goes into the intercooler but the one that comes off the top of the motor where does that plug in

Lets see if this helps

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The intake air comes through pipe A into the Primary charger, its compressed through pipe B into the secondary, compressed again into pipe C which flows into the intercooler. Exhaust from the secondary flows through pipe D into the turbo housing of the primary, then through pipe E its dumped into the exhaust


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