lift pump failed ???
 

I was driving when leaving a light and making a right turn I lost power and it slowed for a few seconds then picked up , when I left my buddies it had to crank longer till it started ans seemed alright for a few miles then I made a right turn and lost power and it came and went a few times in a half mile then picked up speed.

Lift pump I'm guessing

Any performance stuff on it?? When was the last time maintenance was performed??

Stock and regular maintence is allways done, coming up on a oil change and fuel filter change need to do this week and thanks for the help

You probably want to check for codes (with a scanner) and maybe check fuel pressure

X2......and FP reading.

No codes with the key , maybe I got a bad load of fuel on a filter that's time to be replaced, so I do that tomorrow when I can get a good filter for it.

I was thinking a filter wouldn't come and go, but then remembered the filter could starve the injector pump if it got plugged.

This is where you want to be careful. Mine had the same problem with the lift pump. It would loose all power and then pick up after I let off the gas and pushed on it again. But if your lift pump is going bad which is what it sounds like you want to get it replaced soon and don't drive your truck because it will start to damage your CP3. The CP3 will pull enough fuel to run the truck but its not good for it. Also when you go to change your fuel filter if you do it before a lift pump, as soon as you take that cap off, your truck will no longer run because you loose that suction and your truck wont even turn over because of the lack of fuel and the lift pump being shot. My suggestion is to have the codes checked but try not to drive it to avoid damaging the CP3. Get a good lift pump from FASS or Air Dog (Air Dog is cheaper. I learned too late:argh:) and you shouldn't have any more problems. Unless the CP3 is damaged which is my problem. Just be careful. Sorry for the long post. Good luck! :U:

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Oh ya change the fuel filter and if it fixes your problem, congrats. If it doesn't turn over or run longer than a couple seconds after you replace the filter it would be the fuel pump. Sounds like the same exact scenario as my truck.

That's what I was afraid of, so I only went to church just down the road and parked it the rest of the day, is that covered under the 100 thousand warrenty or not.

If not I wonder have fast I can get a Air Dog in Orlando, Thanks a bunch

It may be covered you should call and ask to make sure but if I was you I would just invest in an aftermarket lift pump to help greatly reduce your problems later. You also don't want to void your warranty. Check on it to make sure.

Yea the dealer is right across the street a whole 1/8 mile away, they said I needed a fuel filter when I had the recall on the front end done, wonder if that was because of low fuel pressure.

Oh well I guess I call them in the morning and find out if it's covered, you would think it would be as that would take out the CP3 and it is covered.

Its required for the CP3 to run right so it should be. If not a stock replacement lift pump is much cheaper than an aftermarket one and it won't void your warranty.

Cool, I guess I find out if I lose the truck for the day, took them 3 hours to do a simple recall from what I understand other have said and enable my fast idle, pissed me off they charged me 101 dollars to plug the scan tool in to turn on the idle, most I heard was a 50 dollar charge.

But I like now I can leave the dog in the truck with the A/C running,dogs life my ass lol, kick the idle up to 1100 and know I not loading up the injectors with a long slow idle, would have done it earlier put was afraid of them turning on the out of park alarm, which means your horn is honking if you open the door while back up to a trailer and it can't be turned off once they turn it on, so I made sure to let the manager know that I was going to check it before I left and wasn't going to be a happy camper if the horn went off.

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Dam I called the dealer and the lift pump is covered, but they want to charge me a 100 dollars to change a fuel filter before they can flow test it, 100 bucks for a five minute job, no wonder dealer have such a bad rep, they charged me 100 bucks to plug the scan tool the other day to turn on the fast idle, but since I was there for a recall I went ahead and paid.

Now I waiting for the manager because they said call him if your not completely satisied before putting a bad mark against them on a survey from Dodge, I'm tell him I'm not waiting for a survey I will write them and call too.

It's on of the dealers that dodge dumped during to down sizing but they seem to still be going on and doing warrenty work.

I'm trying to do them a favor because it going to be fun to get it in a bay not running, and they said I can't work on it there, yea I for forgot how much mess and time it takes to change, oh wait there's no mess and takes all of five minutes,:edit: stealerships

Ya the dealerships are really going down hill. :booo: You could do the filter in 5 minutes and what, $12 for a filter. That stuff should be covered for free because you already paid for it when you bought the truck, thats why its called a warranty but maybe I dont know what a warranty is. :humm: I went in to get a new water pump and they wanted to charge me $350!! I said screw that and went to NAPA. Got one for $84. The only way they are making money now is warranty work and parts which is sad in my opinion. Anyone that is smart will go somewhere else and get parts for 5x less than what the dealership wants and then do the labor themselves for 5 hours instead of 2 hours and $300. Its ridiculous. :bat::ph:

Even better after dropping it off at 9:30 they called me at 1 pm and said it all he can see the the injector cleaning service and you need a new filter WTF.

That why I took it to you, I was afraid it was the lift pump, asked him if I paid a 100 buck for him to tell what I paid for Thursday during the recall.

He said no one told me about it, I said you and the diesel both asked me why I was back so quick and I said I didn't replace the filter because if it was the lift going bad, cracking the system would have left in dead in the water.

No wonder everyone hates stealerships, so I guess I wait and see after they get the filter done and do a flow test, at least I can keep that bill if the lift pump goes and takes out the CP3, I can say you said in was fine,first time I lost power and then had it come back, so I want to make sure I don't have to pay for a CP3:argh::argh::argh:

Don't let them charge you that $100. They aren't reading the warranty right. Call Star and talk to them about it.

There's charging me for the filter change

They still shouldnt be able to charge you an hours labour - its a 5 minute job

The asshole called back, still haven't changed my fuel filter, saying there's no use in changing it if I'm not going to have the fuel line cleaning done for 190.00, so I asked if I paying for nothing, he said no we can put in if your want, you all said I needed one and after it lost power I was afraid to open it if the lift pump died, and he replied well we can put it in if you want, I know about these truck than they do, I wouldn't even went near them if the warranty was still going.

The warranty is to keep you coming back to them so they can bend you over and make up shit I never heard needed on the forum:bat::bat::bat:

Well, Ive never really heard of fuel line cleaning...What the hell do they think the filter is for??? lol

I would report them to DC - this kind of crap needs to stop.

Tell him to change the lift pump and youll come down and put a new filter in while they watch.

Yeah, let them know you'll change the filter yourself.

My dealer wants $80 for fuel service plus about $47 for th filter. It takes about $11 for the 7 mu filter and about 5 mintues of my time. The dealer hasn't even seen my truck since I drove it off the lot over 5 years ago.

And they wonder why everyone get pissed at them, I can get a filter in town anywhere for 14 bucks for the good one , so they better not charge me out the ass for it.

Had my truck all day so and done nothing except say well it started for me.

And they had my truck all day for a 5 minute job if I wasn't afraid the lift pump was dead.

Fuel Line Cleaning - WTF is that?:ph:

Diesel fuel, esp. ULSD is not going to plug fuel lines. I agree tell them to change the LP and if possible, go to UFA or Cummins or some other distributor of Fleetguard and get your own fuel filter and you'll change it for free, while they watch.:moon:

They just called and after taking all day they finely removed the filter and guess what ??? the lift pump is dead, but it was working just rough ,it's rough because it pulling fuel through the lift pump.

I asked the mechanic this morning what I said was wrong , he said I should have called you and asked, I said you wouldn't listen, I told him he needs to get on the forum and learn something about lift pumps amd diesels.

Now there saying there going to have to find another reason not to honor the warranty, so it can't be the pump died, we have to check it see if it was the fuel that did it :argh::argh::argh:, and they don't have a pump on hand can't get it till in the morning.

I told the so called service manager there's a reason they call you all steelerships, he said but you keep coming back, I said if wasn't in warranty I had it done 6 hours ago, of course they said the book time is 2 and half hours , I said I don't care how long you charge to do a half hour job, warranty is paying, six bolts and lift the bad and remove the pump.

2 days to get a 3 hour job done including the trouble shooting even in a steelership :ouch::ouch::ouch:

The statement he made about the fuel is standard. They used to say that all the time when there wasn't ULSD. Assuming you've never put any crap in that tank of yours you have nothing to worry about. You are right though they look for any reason to give it the ol' boot. Warranty that is.

Just get the truck back and deal with this yourself. You'll be happier dealing with one of the sponsors here, likely get a good price, WAY better service and you'll learn a thing or 2 about fixing your ride yourself.

Don't feel bad though as it took me a total of 3 OEM LP's and 2 VP44 IP's before I saw the light.:c:

Yea but then I have to pay, but I bet I could have found one and had it done by 3 pm at the latest, if it wasn't covered by warranty.

They will never see me after the warranty and I owned it for 3 years now and this is first time it's been to the dealer, that's why I like Dave at O'Neil Dodge in GA, he's on a few forums, one of the few service managers who's knows what going on and doesn't do the bullshit stuff to your truck.

I was going to give these guys my cards as i do home repair and have connections for the stuff I don't do and save people money to boot.

These need to be shafted, as a mater of fact I'm going to start asking if they work at dealers and charge them more, oh I'm sorry the repair is covered but we need to flush the water lines out and your A/C needs a flux capacitor and we don't have one in stock :w2:

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that in this case the warranty isn't worth the paper it is written on so you better start getting a line on flux capacitors just to be sure.

Yea I could have had it done by now, I'm sure I could have found a stock one in town somewhere, or had a air dog here the next day and I have to old one out and not have to put up with the shit their trying to stick me with and the lost work.

I told the the service manager if service was what they were supposed to be doing, I'm feeling more like the cow, who just got serviced by the bull.

I think the expression is I perfer to get kissed before I get f*cked...

At least buy me dinner first :c:

:lol::itsok:

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This brings up something I should have mentioned before though, they won't give you the block mounted LP if your's has one - I can't remember - they'll do the in tank retrofit which has its own set of problems.:w2:

Have them push the truck into the parking lot. Get your hands on an Airdog or Mitusa pump and install it in their parking lot... :yeah: :yeah:

And give them a big :fu2::fu2: when you drive off.

Like Earp said - the warranty isnt worth any more than the paper its written on.

Make sure to get someone to video that from across the street. That would be really funny.:pca1:

Mines in the tank anyway, so there just have to replace it, but if they find anything in the tank, even a drop of water they will try to turn the warranty down the aholes, your getting paid do and shut up.

I told them as soon as they find something I want to sample it and going to have it tested, so lets not screw around anymore and get it done.

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Ok I might up buying a air dog after all, the asswipe just called and said they was something in the fliter they can't do it under warranty, I said I will be over there in a minute and we see, but I not going to spend a dime on their lot yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:

Id get that truck out of there - even if it means towing it.

Get an Airdog with a Drawstraw or the upgraded tank module and call it done. Probably for cheaper than you would have got away from the dealer.

I would still complain to DC. If everyone that had problems with dealers would complain - DC would have no choice but to crack the whip.

OMG. If you pay a dime for any of this BS I'd be really surprised. Make sure you get the applicable names and write Dodge a letter to inform them there are other reasons this idiot should get packing. What a bozo, he looses his dealership now his service center acts like that? Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I'm called Dodge already after talking to Dave at O'Neil Dodge, thank God for the few good dealership who really offer service, Dave said bad fuel would not take out a transfer pump and said get a second opinion from another dealer,I told him I can't afford to lose that much work time, I should have just ordered a air dog yesterday and it would have been in my hands by now.

I going to just pull it out of there to the house and do it , but since there claiming it not covered by warranty I going to have to pay for them to drop the tank, more money I don't have to do nothing.

You bet Dodge is going to get a letter, this place needs to be closed period, so I been waiting an hour for the service manager to call Dodge so they can call me and tell to get serviced and believe me I feel like I've been serviced to death.

No wonder Ford is getting so many customers now days

Question is there a write up on putting a air dog on some where, I know I can't win if I have to wait a week to get anything done at the steelership

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OK got the air dog coming and gong to meet with the service manager and he's going to show me the reason for turning down the warranty and I going to inform him this will be on a few forums, I told him I haven't named the dealer or the parent company yet, who has a few steelerships, I'm going to tell them you told me I wasn't going to get nothing done on warranty and you were right.

Here's some pictures of the pump removed, so you tell me is this dirtier than usual for diesel

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7158/airdog007.jpg

But it looks likes the filter they put in the tank did it's job

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6174/airdog012.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7660/airdog010x.jpg

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Forget it. Just put the air dog in yourself. Its so simple. Get someone to help you though unless your tank is pretty empty. You can drop the tankin 10 mins or pull the bed off (dropping the tank is easier in my opinion), pull the old tubes off and put the new ones on after you get the pump mounted on the frame then its just a mater of running the fuel lines from the tank to the Air Dog, then from the Dog to the front of the truck. The stock lift pump should come out and be replaced by a down spout that bolts up to where the lift pump mounts up with fewer bolts (2 instead of 4). I did it in a little over an hour with a friend of mine. The hardest part was dropping the tank, which wasnt hard, and drilling the holes in the frame for the mounting screws to hold on the lift pump, and thats it. :U:

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Wait is your lift pump inside the tank or mounted to the side of the engine sort of? Oh boy. I would think the 05 is the same as the 04..... I hope... :humm:

The Air dog is in it already when they turned down the warranty for fuel contamination, I will take them to small claims court, because I believe this is normal, you get more junk in a metal tank than this and isn't it why we run all the filters.

To me it looks like the filter they put on the pump did the job it was supposed to.

And 05's are in the tank, the one that is suppose to last longer than the one mounted on the engine and you don't want to go stock pump for sure on 04's and back, the air dog is the cheapest way to go all the way around and get stay away from the steelerships

Herb, you may want to check the top of your tank. In one of the indentations, there is a white plastic nipple that goes to atmosphere. The indentation can fill up with water and dirt and get into your tank. There was a TSB on this I think a few years back. Anyway the fix was to put a length of tube on it and then a small filter at the end to get it up and out of the indentation to keep contaminants from getting in there. Not saying this is what happened here but it does look a lot dirtier than it should be by a long ways in my opinion.