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Old 11-24-2013, 11:05 PM
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Haha. I heard that. Well, ya can't go wrong with Valvoline. I use it in my mt. Or even Lucas Oil, but it's pricey, too.
 
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:49 PM
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Default Cummins Tech Service Department

To answer all your original questions, here is some information that I hope is helpful.
Source: TURBO DIESEL REGISTER, and Cummins Tech Service Department

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Engine Oil:
Use any high quality lube oil diesel rated 15W-
40 with the API “donut” symbol CJ-4or better, such as
Cummins Premium Blue, Shell Rotella T, Chevron Delo
400. For very cold weather operation, you may use a diesel
rated 10W-30, meeting the same API spec as above. Do
not use synthetic oil if your engine has less than 10,000
miles on it.

Change Intervals:
Change your engine oil and oil filter
according to the chart in your Owner’s Manual. Change
the fuel filter at every other oil change. Neither Dodge nor
Cummins recommends using extended drain intervals with
the use of synthetic engine oils. Change transmission and
axle fluids according to the types of service listed in your
Owner’s Manual.

Anti freeze/Coolant:
Drain and refill every 24 to 36 months,
using low silicate, diesel-rated, ethylene glycol based
coolant. Pre mix half-and-half with distilled water before
installation or addition.

Automatic Transmission fluid:
Change fluid and filter every 40,000 miles for normal operation. For operation such
as towing or heavy loads, change every 15-20 thousand
miles.

The latest Mopar specification is ATF +4, type 7176.
The latest ATF +4 can safely be used in all previous 47 RE/
RH automatic transmissions. In this case, logic prevails – if
+3 is good then +4 is better! This information was verified
by Dodge/Cummins’s customer advocate personnel.

Five-Speed NV4500 Manual Transmission (used from ‘94-
’04): Change every 30-50 thousand miles, depending on
load. Use 75W-90, GL-4 or 80W-90, GL-4 rated synthetic
oil.

Often people will ask about the GL-4 rated Castrol
synthetic gear lubricant (75W-90). If the GL-4 classification
is good, shouldn’t a GL-5 rated lubricant be better? In the
case of the NV4500 gearbox, not necessarily so. The GL-5
oil uses twice the amount of sulfur/phosphorous additive
package as GL-4. At high temperatures, the phosphorous
plates out and reduces the coefficient of friction of the
synchronizer rings (New Venture Gear has seen this on
shift stand tests). Since there’s twice as much of it, there’s
more of a detrimental effect compared to GL-4.

Although it does not affect the NV4500, the additional
sulphur content of GL-5 attacks brass.

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Mopar/Cummins/Fleetguard
Part Number Reference

Notes: This list below includes part number supercessions as of December 2011. Part numbers at the top are Mopar; middle are Cummins; bottom are Fleetguard.
For lube filters the numbers on the left are paper/cellulose media design. The numbers to the right are Microglass or StrataPore design.
Belt part numbers are Gates. Hose part numbers are Gates or Mopar. Hoses are listed with upper hose (top) and lower hose (bottom) of chart.


1998.5 -- 24-valve engine

FUEL FILTER
PART #
04883963AB
3931476
FS19598

LUBE FILTER
PART #
05016547AB
3937145
LF3959 LF3894

AIR FILTER
PART #
4728406
3097074
AF25541

BELT
K080810

(Assumes A/C) HOSES
52028715
52006482AB
 
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokechop
I do agree with you. However, per the previous owner (and the 2001 Dodge Ram BR/BE Service Manual), the oil is to be changed every 3,000 miles due to the nature of my use of my truck and the conditions under which it is operated. 300k miles don't lie.

Every 3k, she gets the oil, oil filter, and both fuel filters changed. The previous owner uninstalled the water separator and I haven't gotten around to re-installing it. An extra $16.00 every 3k? Worth every penny for my peace of mind. Plus, here in South MS, you wouldn't believe the trash in the diesel fuel...
I believe ya on the trash in the fuel.

241k miles on my 576hp rattle trap

there is an old timer out of kansas that hauls cars cross country daily in his 01 24v and has an edge box and 50hp injectors..

runs synthetic in everything and changes his oil every 15k.

has over 2 million miles on the original powertrain with no rebuilds. original NV5600, original D80 rear end, and original cummins. 2 million miles and still pullin strong!

says if he changed his oil every 3k he would be pullin over every couple days doin an oil change .


as for my fuel filter and water separator, I have an airdog 150 running fleetguard filters on there. a 2 micron and a 100 micron separator/pre-filter.

I change those based off fuel pressure rather than mileage.

once my fuel pressure drops about 1-2psi below normal I replace them...

probably going to be a while on my current interval since I cleaned out my fuel tank about 6 months ago when I did my liberty fuel module and replaced my vp44 return fuel line. completely removed the tank and emptied it bone dry then cleaned all the dirt out till it was spotless inside. refilled it with the old fuel but filtered it on the way into the tank with a filtered funnel.



valvoline is a good oil brand and is actually the official recommended brand by cummins.

also fleetguard is now owned by cummins and is now the official filter for cummins.
 
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Old 11-25-2013, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jigabop
I believe ya on the trash in the fuel.

241k miles on my 576hp rattle trap

there is an old timer out of kansas that hauls cars cross country daily in his 01 24v and has an edge box and 50hp injectors..

runs synthetic in everything and changes his oil every 15k.

has over 2 million miles on the original powertrain with no rebuilds. original NV5600, original D80 rear end, and original cummins. 2 million miles and still pullin strong!

says if he changed his oil every 3k he would be pullin over every couple days doin an oil change .


as for my fuel filter and water separator, I have an airdog 150 running fleetguard filters on there. a 2 micron and a 100 micron separator/pre-filter.

I change those based off fuel pressure rather than mileage.

once my fuel pressure drops about 1-2psi below normal I replace them...

probably going to be a while on my current interval since I cleaned out my fuel tank about 6 months ago when I did my liberty fuel module and replaced my vp44 return fuel line. completely removed the tank and emptied it bone dry then cleaned all the dirt out till it was spotless inside. refilled it with the old fuel but filtered it on the way into the tank with a filtered funnel.



valvoline is a good oil brand and is actually the official recommended brand by cummins.

also fleetguard is now owned by cummins and is now the official filter for cummins.
I believe the 2m million miles! It's an incredible testimony, though! The only reason I'm changing my fuel filters so often is because of the lack of a water separator. It makes me nervous. But your idea will the fuel pressure would be ideal. I never thought about it that way. My tank needs to be drained and flushed REALLY BADLY. Last time I changed my filters, I pulled a couple chunks of tree bark and a full-bodied dragonfly from the first filter. 2nd was clean as a whistle, though!

Yeah, I'd read that Cummins owned Fleetguard. Another interesting "did you know": Although they still bear the Holset name, stock turbochargers affixed to Cummins engines are actually produced by Cummins Turbo Technologies who had acquired the Holset Engineering Company back in either '73 or '74. The name wasn't formally changed until '06.
 
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Old 11-25-2013, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jigabop
I believe ya on the trash in the fuel.

241k miles on my 576hp rattle trap

there is an old timer out of kansas that hauls cars cross country daily in his 01 24v and has an edge box and 50hp injectors..

runs synthetic in everything and changes his oil every 15k.

has over 2 million miles on the original powertrain with no rebuilds. original NV5600, original D80 rear end, and original cummins. 2 million miles and still pullin strong!

says if he changed his oil every 3k he would be pullin over every couple days doin an oil change .


as for my fuel filter and water separator, I have an airdog 150 running fleetguard filters on there. a 2 micron and a 100 micron separator/pre-filter.

I change those based off fuel pressure rather than mileage.

once my fuel pressure drops about 1-2psi below normal I replace them...

probably going to be a while on my current interval since I cleaned out my fuel tank about 6 months ago when I did my liberty fuel module and replaced my vp44 return fuel line. completely removed the tank and emptied it bone dry then cleaned all the dirt out till it was spotless inside. refilled it with the old fuel but filtered it on the way into the tank with a filtered funnel.



valvoline is a good oil brand and is actually the official recommended brand by cummins.

also fleetguard is now owned by cummins and is now the official filter for cummins.
Well **** now there's the kinda info I'm after Lol. thanks a ton man this will help a lot.
 
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:48 AM
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yeah, if you are going to run dino oil, go for valvoline, delo 400, rosmella (not a typo...that stuff stinks!), etc. anything API-CI4 or better rated that is 15w-40.

(I know he says API CJ-4 or better, but CJ-4 is only required for the 6.7L diesels with the particulate filters in the exhaust... CI-4 is the original spec these engines were held to and the factory service manual calls for...

so CI-4 and CJ-4 are both equally compatible in your engine


btw the 2 million mile dodge, here's the original article someone reposted because the original link was taken down (story was posted over 2 years ago)

and my bad he's out of Iowa, not Kansas... and it's every 10k he changes oil. Keep in mind this article is over 2 years old, he's definitely over 2 mil by now.
Originally Posted by Farmshow
Dodge Ram Nears 1.7 Million Miles



Howard Clayton's Dodge Ram 3500 is heading for the record books. Purchased new in 2000, people tell him it looks like it might have 80,000 miles on it. When FARM SHOW caught up to him, he had just passed 1,688,676 miles. In all that time, he's never touched the inside of the 5.9 Cummins engine, and it's not because he follows the book.

"The book says change the oil every 3,000 miles, but if I did that, I would be stopping every other day," says Clayton. "I change the oil and filter every 10,000 miles. That's two trips from Indiana to California."

Clayton lives in Iowa, but he tows trailers for an Indiana company, putting on more than 160,000 miles a year. Most of his trips are west. The 70-year-old has been trucking for the past 20 years. The first 10 years were in a semi, and the last 10 in the Dodge 3500.

Forest Cunningham is Clayton's mechanic, though he lives in Missouri. Cunningham himself is sort of a legend with those who know him for his work on fuel pumps and high mileage engines. When FARM SHOW contacted him, he said another customer had just left with 400,000 miles on his engine.

"That one is just a baby compared to Howard's," says Cunningham, who gives credit to Clayton for taking good care of his rig. Once a year we clean out all the fluids and refill with fresh synthetics. He has a custom-built set of injectors, stock injection pump and an after market device that alters injection timing. He gets more than 300 hp with that engine, and I've no idea how much torque."

Clayton has had to replace the battery, alternator and lift pumps. The closest he has been to engine problems was replacing a head gasket, though he has had a couple of oil leaks over the years.

"Howard was nervous when he stopped recently," recalls Cunningham. "He was using a quart of oil every 200 miles, but it was the vacuum pump that was leaking. We resealed the oil cooler, changed oil and sent him out the door again."

Clayton says there are no secrets to what he and Cunningham do. "I try to keep an eye on maintenance, and if anything goes wrong, I take care of it immediately."

Clayton relies on synthetic Rotella 1540 for engine oil and Fleetguard oil filters. Transmission and rear end fluids are also synthetic. He gives them at least part of the credit for never having touched the 6-speed transmission or the rear end.

Clayton also uses a fuel treatment year round to keep his injectors clean, as well as using Lucas Oil Additive. He adds half a quart of the thickening agent with every oil change.

"It thickens the oil just enough for better oil pressure," says Clayton. "You don't want it too thick, especially in the winter."

Clayton says his odometer gets a lot of attention when people first notice it. "I had a small fuel leak and stopped at a Dodge dealer in Kankakee, Ill.," he recalls.

"The mechanic couldn't believe it when he saw the odometer and called the manager out to see it," says Clayton. I told them to add a million. I had to show them an article about my truck in Diesel Power magazine for them to believe me."
 

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Originally Posted by jigabop
yeah, if you are going to run dino oil, go for valvoline, delo 400, rosmella (not a typo...that stuff stinks!), etc. anything API-CI4 or better rated that is 15w-40.

(I know he says API CJ-4 or better, but CJ-4 is only required for the 6.7L diesels with the particulate filters in the exhaust... CI-4 is the original spec these engines were held to and the factory service manual calls for...

so CI-4 and CJ-4 are both equally compatible in your engine


btw the 2 million mile dodge, here's the original article someone reposted because the original link was taken down (story was posted over 2 years ago)

and my bad he's out of Iowa, not Kansas... and it's every 10k he changes oil. Keep in mind this article is over 2 years old, he's definitely over 2 mil by now.
IMPRESSIVE.
 
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