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Old 02-08-2011, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by billy-bob
thanks for the input guys. I already torqued the stockers down to 120 im not planning on it staying together forever but so far so good. making 45 psi with the hx 40. i will check the pressure for the stuble up high too. So my next ? with all that timing, like around 20* do they still start when its cold? im all the way north in jersey its like 5* out rite now
you can get 130+ on the stockers pretty easy, anything past there they start to stretch, i found about 133 to be the magic number
 
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Originally Posted by shorty2tall
so is 22* ok? and what is the tq on the heads?
could be or it could not be. if you go that high just understand that your chances of blowing a HG are higher than at 16*
 
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Originally Posted by 94 12valve
could be or it could not be. if you go that high just understand that your chances of blowing a HG are higher than at 16*
i wouldnt recommend anything over 17 on stock head bolts

why would you want 22 degrees anyways unless you are making big power its not needed
im only runnin 19 on my truck and putting down 550 with what is in my sig and that is plenty
 
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Originally Posted by 12vcummins96
i wouldnt recommend anything over 17 on stock head bolts

why would you want 22 degrees anyways unless you are making big power its not needed
im only runnin 19 on my truck and putting down 550 with what is in my sig and that is plenty
because everyone thinks the more timing they run, the more power they will make but noone understands the concept of it.
 
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Originally Posted by 12vcummins96
i wouldnt recommend anything over 17 on stock head bolts

why would you want 22 degrees anyways unless you are making big power its not needed
im only runnin 19 on my truck and putting down 550 with what is in my sig and that is plenty
idk its a truck im looking at buying has 22* and its got a like 200hp fuel plate and it think thats it for fuel but theres a air dog and cai 4in dp and new clutch and flywheel
 
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 12vcummins96
i wouldnt recommend anything over 17 on stock head bolts

why would you want 22 degrees anyways unless you are making big power its not needed
im only runnin 19 on my truck and putting down 550 with what is in my sig and that is plenty
i ran 22.5* because that is where my truck made the most power, ran the best, and got the best mpg.

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because everyone thinks the more timing they run, the more power they will make but noone understands the concept of it.
I'm sure your also aware that timing of the pump is not always the timing after the injector?
 
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Dave would you care to elaborate on that a little? I kinda get the idea of it but would like to know more.
 
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Originally Posted by 94 12valve
i ran 22.5* because that is where my truck made the most power, ran the best, and got the best mpg.



I'm sure your also aware that timing of the pump is not always the timing after the injector?
It doesnt matter what the pump is timed at, what spray pattern the injectors have, or what piston bowl you are running, as long as your still spraying in the bowl is what matters, most people with stock pistons, run way to high of timing, im meaning 25*+, your 22.5* is fine because it still sprays inside the bowl.
 
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Dave would you care to elaborate on that a little? I kinda get the idea of it but would like to know more.

injector line size, pop pressure, dv holders, plungers ect could change your timing as well. What I'm saying is just cuz your pump is timed at 20* or whatever does not always mean your injecting fuel at 20* BTDC.
 
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Old 02-09-2011, 03:42 PM
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very much so dave
i am just sayin that high timing is not needed to make big power
 


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