BFG AT VS Cooper Discoverer STT
 

Well guys, im stuck between these 2 tire choices. Heres a couple pros/cons of each

BFG AT:
http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels...rain_large.gif

Pros:

• Available 295/75 for a little larger tire
• 3700 lb 10 ply rating for 285/75
• Fully warranted where i work for any problems
  
• Dealer pricing at 181.00 a piece for 285/75 in a 10 ply

Cons:

• Everybody and their brother runs them
• not overly aggressive/tough looking
• pay a lot for name

Cooper Discoverer STT
http://www.cooperrehvid.ee/images/ba...AEAABRKK9E.jpg

Pros:

• Nice aggressive styling for our trucks
• Similar tread pattern to Toyo MT
• Beefy treaded sidewalls
• Advanced Armor Tek 3 carcass

Cons:

• Quicker wearing tread
• only avail in D load range @ 3300 lbs on a 285/75 (265/75 load range E is only 3400 lbs)
• Not as many size options
• Louder on the road (not always a bad thing depending on driver)
  
• Priced at 188.00 a piece with road hazard only on a 285/75

Please give me all your feedback on both tires and/or show me some other tires to look into. Would prefer pricing under 200 per tire and readily avail. tire as i need a set ASAP

Ive had a few sets of the BFG AT and I loved them.... These tires last a long time if rotated properly.

Pay no attention to the numeriacal load rating. it is what the tire tread is rated for. If yur sitting still it may make a difference. The only thing that counts is the Alphabetic rating, "D" or "E". This is the sidewall rating. This is what the tires are rated to handle in actual driving situations such as cornering and sidewall strength. An E rated tire with less weight rating is still stronger for your truck then a D rated tire with a higher number. When you consider that the front end of your truck weighs over 6000 pounds even when your runnin empty you are pushing a D rated tire right off the bat. We all know that there is a degree of safety built in to everything we buy and this is what your counting on when your running D rated tires.

I know it's been done a thousand times by a thousand people but your pushing your luck wit D rated tires. This also why you see so many tread seperations though. Be safe and go with an E rated tire. Goodyear has one that came out last year in your size range and I'm sure other brands have em to.

I'm a die hard Toyo fan myself. I've ran the Goodyears, Coopers, Maxxus and a few others and Toyo's are the best all around tires I've found. If money is an issue then the best cheaper tire on the market is the Big O tires.

From what Ive seen i have been impressed with those BFG A/Ts in the mud.
I used to run Regul M/ts on my 97 F-250 and loved them. Saw them listed as BFG Mud Kings at summitracing.com. http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

well evryone runs BFG's only because they are Better than F***in Good

and they last forever

Never say there is only one best to much of anything in life, you will almost always be wrong. They make such a wide range of tires because there is no one tire that works for everything. Around here we have different terrain then you do. These BFG's packed up with mud quicker then I could a cleaned em with a firehose in the gunk around here. Piss in front of the tires in 4WD and you were stuck. But I'm sure they wrok great in other areas. They also have no siping to get a hold of the mud with, that was the same problem as the Nitto's. The Coopers and Truxxus just didn't last very long.

yeah my all terrains get caked up with clay so quick, if anyone has made a magnet for dirt/mud/clay, it is bfg. and the all terrains can get stuck in some embarrassing spots, but mainly because my truck is 7000+lbs and the front end of my truck is so heavy and the rear is so light. but that is just the AT's, my statement about being better then effin good, well alot of the top competitors in the country will run bfg's, and one of my friends mom told me thats when i told her daughter to get bfg's maybe not the At's, but some of the other designs. But the At's is a good all around tire in my opinion

I can't even begin to comment on competion trucks. I can't even describe how little attention I pay to all that stuff. But my guess is that BFG commersial recognition and money plays a good part in those decisions as much as performance does. They are probably also running lighter weight trucks which would also make BFG the better choice.

I'm not even commenting good or bad on them myself. To many people like em for me to say they are a bad choice. I just don't like load range D tires on these trucks period in any brand.

if you arent constantly loading your truck the STTs by far. I have owned the BFG ATs and I have had radials that performed better offroad and in the snow they are a joke.

I own a set of STTs and wished I got a load range E tire I have to mess with tire pressure so much when being loaded and unloaded otherwise i can see some weird tire wear.

so I would say neither

I'm going back to the BFG's. I got the Hankooks, liked the price and the look. I heard they wear really well. Not for me...

My next set before winter is going to be:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....e1=yes&place=0

I've always had good luck with the BFG's in the past.

I like the Cooper tire. I think they're one of the most underrated tire companies out there. The STT looks to be a very good tire and I haven't yet seen a bad review on them. I know that they'll most likely be my next tire if that's worth anything to you.

Just make sure that whatever you buy you get an LT rated tire and not a P rated. I heard a lot of guys at the dealership complain about tread wear and lifespan and every single one of them were running P rated tires on their trucks.

Horsehockey....most D rated tires are fine for a 3/4 ton Dodge.

Horsehockey....that's why they call them "LT" Light Truck tires, they're designed for the normal 1/2 ton pick up truck out there. Even on the high side they are rated for up to 3300 pounds each so 6600 pounds per axle. How much does you motor alone weigh, not even including the truck added on to that, maybe even at some point a load in the bed that is also gonna add weight to the front axle.

I got paranoid with them after I seperated the tread on one of these D rated BFG all terrains. It was still full of tread and all I was pullin was a car trailer with the kids drag car on it so nothin was over weighted. Left a cool little crease in the rear panel that I have still never gotten around to beatin out. Still has some of the rubber melted into it from the tread beatin off of it while I was tryin to get stopped. From then, it's only E rated on my truck.

Interesting...Im almost always unlaoded and have never had tire problems.

Running Coopers SST's on my 12V - so far so good. But I do want to give Toyo M-55's a try.

I run loaded and unloaded (I've done multiple loaded of 3yrds of stone in my box) and never had a problem with my D rated 285 Yoko's. The BFG's I had before lasted forever but when they came to the end of their life they did it quickly with no warning at all. Total delamination from the inside out. I'll never own another set of those again (my opinion). The Coops are nice but I like Toyo and Yoko's better.

You must have a lot of extras for your front end to weigh 6000 lbs.

I can't find the break down of all the different weights I used to have saved. Lookin through Edmunds though the 2007 2500 truck is listed at 6593 pounds for the truck weight. The biggest majority of this weight being on the front end. This also for a stock truck, no big ole front bumper or aftermarket wheels and tires twice the size of stock. When you put a load in the bed, to include a gooseneck trailer it also adds additional weight to the front axle.

So to answer your question Snowball, ya I do a have a lot of extras and I bet the front end is probably right at or over 6000 on my truck but it was the rear wheel that I had the blow out in. Between the 600 pound Ranch Hand bumper hangin off the front and 1200 plus pounds of tools in the tool box, I'm sure the front end is over weight on D rated in my truck.

600 pound Ranchhand...I think theres a little exaggaration going on there....

You may be right, I never weighed it. But two of us couldn't get it off the ground. I had to use the tractor endloader to hold it up while I bolted in place.

Good thing youve got a tractor, ya puss farmer lol

Me and my 70 year old dad lifted mine off the ground....its a couple hundred pounds.

You musta gave yer dad the heavy end then, ehh.:choochoo:

I've got D range Dayton Timberline A/T's on the 91...they work just fine...smoke well too :D
Goin in the morning to get rid of the garbage michelins for toyo a/t's on the 04 (in load range E it is the tow pig after all) But I like the STT's

I put 80000(50000 Miles) KM on my BFG M/T towing my 12 to 14000 lb goose evryday, never had a problem. Am now onto toyo A/T D rated because E rated were not available up here at the time.Stil no probs. I don't come any where near 6000 lbs on my front.You need to go to a scale and verify your weights before you make wrong statements. The stock E rated tires are only rated for 3195 lbs. Even Chrysler wouldn't put those tires on if the front end weighed that much.

Ok, back to the subject of the thread. He was asking for opinions and I gave mine, you gave your and that's what the thread was askin for. I wasn't lookin for a pissin match on who is right or wrong. There's plenty of room on this subject for everybodies opinions to be right. My truck rolls over scales pretty regular in the course of it's work life.

well put 285/70/17 toyo A/T's on dads 04 this morning...load range D. They roll a little bit...and we haven't even adjusted the tire pressures yet to our liking. Nice tire overall. I still would get the STT's though.

lol, i may see if they have a similar sized tire in the STTs in E range for my truck, im not goin down to a 265, but i will go up a size if need be

I went from load range E 265 on my truck, to 35x12.50x17 load range D's on my truck, and I am perfectly happy with the "downgrade" to D.
Scott

I have Trxus MT's on my 93 Gasser. They are quieter than the BFG AT's my brother has on his Blazer. They are rated for around 3600 lbs. I don't recall the exact rate. They are under your $200 limit last I looked. Had 5 shipped for $70 when I got mine.

I have been looking, too. I would like the STT's but they don't have a heavy rating in their 17's.

I have Cooper STT 35x12.50x18 on my 2005 F350 Diesel 4x4 Crew cab Long Bed and I think they are better than BFG. I rotate the tires every oil change. Over 20,000 miles and very little ware. Very low road noise. Very good in mud, snow and water. I will purchase them next time again but taller!

you are comparing 2 different tires in that pic, ones a mud tire and the others a all terrain tire, both are good tires, hard packed or loose dry stuff id go BFG, mud, slop, or grease and id go Cooper.

Late 2006 there was a recall involving a bunch of Cooper tires, the STT being one of them, for faulty web belt coat stock.

Essentially the steel belts were corroding and causing the tires to come apart.

I doubt it is relevant to currently produced tires, but if you find a screamin' deal on closeout new or barely used take-off Coopers, Caveat Emptor.....

Just FYI.

yeah im aware of that....isnt it something i can find on the DOT number as to whether my tires are a part of that or not?

RodZZilla, how many miles are on your Trxus? Any comments on them?

I used them myself. I could go places in 2WD that would have been a struggle with any other tire in 4WD. They were great. EXCEPT for the wear, I got 15000 miles out of them and they were bald before I changed em out. If they wore better I would never run anything else. They were also a load range E tire.

Yessir, any Cooper dealer can check the DOT #'s and make sure the tires are OK.

Didn't mean to post a panic type thing, just letting people know...

no im not panicking.....i knew about it as i bought the tires and could care less about it really. lol

I have about 10K on them they are showing some wear, but they look like they have another 20K in them at this point. Still quieter than the BFG AT's. They are getting louder, though. I don't mind a loud tire. Have had TSL's on several trucks.

over the next 5 to 7 thousand miles they will wear quickly, oh and my 95 V10 2500 4x4 regular cab long bed automatic ram weighed in at a skinny 5200+ with a 1/4 tank of fuel and me in it, i weight 300 lbs.....so throw on another 400 for the diesel.....that makes it 5800+ with a full tank of fuel.......D-range tires would of been fine, and i towed ALOT of stuff...

All i run is BFG's and Micheys. I Love my BFGS running M/Ts Right now. I Think that Mich. Just came out with a new AT or MT

Kinda scared to go back into this conversation but here goes. Using the specs supplied in the very first post of this thread the weight rating of the D rated tires he's asking about are 3300 pounds. Multiply that by two tires gives you a front axle weight 6600 pounds max. By your own post you are saying that the weight of a no load truck is 5800 pounds. This only leaves 800 pounds worth of load before your over. This doesn't even take into account those of us with the heavy bumpers, which I did ask Ranchand about the exact weight of mine and it is 290 pounds factory weight. I've added a few things to mine so it runs a little heavier. this leaves you give or take about 500 pounds left before you max these tires out. So now if you put any kind of load in the bed of your truck to include a goosenck trailer you are adding additional weight to the front axle. To close for comfort in my world.

I would also assume that since I have rolled across scales empty per say at almost 7000 pounds, 6870 to be axact the last time. You were probably running stock size tires and wheels, the tires sizes being talked about here are much heavier and have to be taken into account in this weight limit. In my weight is also included a full tool box as well as a back seat full of more tools.

Not trying to say that D rated tires won't wrok for our truck but they don't leave enough margin for safety in my mind and when they blow they go quick.


Have to put a correction in here. I had the front axle stuck in my head and wasn't thinkin about the fact that were talkin about total truck weight. So that does open up some more margin for safety but considering that by far the biggest majoriy of the truck weight is on the front axle not much more.