Charlie Stewart Calls Out Gale Banks!!!!
 

Holy crap folks!!! It's finally going to happen!!! :choochoo: Charlie Stewart called out Gale Banks and Gale responded. Gonna be a shootout at the O.K. Coral. :DD::c:


Congratulations to the Banks/Sidewinder Type D
I, along w/ the entire Dr. Performance Nitro Flash team would like to congratulate Gale Banks and his entire team on their impressive showing this weekend at the ACDelco Las Vegas NHRA Nationals. You have assembled a first class truck, and the performance speaks for itself.

We brought the Dr. Performance truck to Las Vegas with the intentions on showing it in the SEMA show, not to race it. We decided to enter the truck into competition to prove a point. This point was that Greg Hogue was a competent driver, and had the ability to race any vehicle at any time. His driving experience in a variety of cars, diesels powered ones being no exception, speaks for itself.

With that being said, the truck had a 3 speed in it w/ no overdrive, and a worn out motor that has been run all year long. Let me clarify I'm not saying this to take anything away from your 8.225 @ 164.67. That pass makes the Type D the fastest/quickest diesel powered truck, but unfortunately, Sportsman competitors can't set records at NHRA National events. Furthermore, the Dr. Performance Nitro Flash truck remains the current DHRA record holder with the 8.312 @ 163.04 pass set in Denver, CO @ 10,000+ feet density altitude.

As you stated earlier, the two trucks ran on the same track on the same day in Las Vegas. You showed up w/ a fresh/race-ready truck, and we had one prepared to show. It is for this reason that the Dr. Performance Nitro Flash truck would like to officially challenge the Banks/Sidewinder Type D truck to a Chicago style match race at the first DHRA race of 2008.

No smoke vs. Smoke
Duramax vs. Cummins
Chevy vs. Dodge

Sincerely,

Charlie Stewart and the entire Dr. Performance Nitro Flash Team





Originally Posted by PeterT
Gale called me from the track and asked me to post the following message from him:

“Hey Charlie,
This morning we went 8.21 at 165.50. These are the numbers to beat, you can’t escape from that. Stop making lame excuses and start making power. You got beat by our road race engine. The drag engine is on its way, so get ready for that mother. And by the way, we’re building a CR Cummins, too!

We’ve built a drag truck, if DHRA is there, we’ll be there too! Name the date. By the way, we’ve been racing diesels at Bonneville, in Baja, on road courses, and now in the NHRA. Now, we’re coming to DHRA but I’ve never seen you at Bonneville or in Baja, what gives? If you want me to bring it on at your races, then you need to come race me at mine.”

Damn, this is gonna get interesting. Hate to say it but my money's on Banks. What do yo guys think?

don't count Charlie out...

oh i'm not for sure, but banks dont play fair.

It's definitely Banks. He comes out and rips an 8.21 @ 165mph with the ROAD RACE motor. He was just priming the pump in front of everyone and will definitely become the first diesel truck in the 7's. You NEVER hear Banks talk smack and now he has which tells me he has already made passes with the drag motor and knows what it will do.

yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with that, he's got something up his sleeve with a drag motor.

He doesn't talk smack...what about him badmouthing every other diesel performance company out there? This is the first time he has backed up anything. And this is the first time he's gotten into a sport where everybody else is focusing on. Why didn't he do drag racing or sledpulling first? I think he was too scared to go into the water where everybody else was. If I'm the first one to run a mile backwards...of course I'm going to have the fastest time. It's the same theory with him...no wait...his money... going to Bonneville, Baja, and now road racing. If Gale Banks wanted to make a statement to everybody else why didn't he go straight into one of the big diesel sports?

Hasnt backed anything up? You dont pay much attention to the sport do you? Holding world records is about as good as it gets at backing things up.

world records for what??? Land speed record...the only reason he still has the land speed record is because Keating has been focusing on drag racing. Like I said, Banks decides to focus on other divisions of racing that he can dominate because nobody wants to get into them with a diesel besides him. Yea he gets a flippin brownie badge for being a pioneer. But don't come to those who have busted their hump in mainstream diesel motor sports and try and start something. To correct your assumption that he holds the DHRA record for fastest diesel pickup, he does not. The record cannot be set at an NHRA event.

What company does this Charlie guy work for? Sounds like it is gonna be fun!

predator/dr. performance http://thumbs.vidiac.com/374fa3f5-34...3c00ab1df9.jpgClick here to see Video the dakota

this sounds like a load of fun. hopefully i have high speed internet by the time this vs video comes to an internet equipped computer near me!

:loco: You've been listening to too many Steve Coles. Not one of your statements are even remotely true. Once again, go do your homework before your open your mouth. One other thing, I didnt say anything about the DHRA record so are your going to start putting words in my mouth? Nevertheless, no one has gone as fast as Sidewinder has so at the next DHRA event I'm sure he'll be there to ESTABLISH what he already showed the world he can do. Never ceases to amaze me at how many of you boys come out of the woodwork to nay say what Gale accomplishes.

hey dangerous, maybe you should learn how to be a little nicer to our younger generation man, this last post you made was quite a ripping, though im sure phil has one to come back right up his sleeve, at least when he has time to post again before you rip him another, seeing as how he is a high school student and all......

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oh, and i must say, screw banks, screw all the performance companies, the best trucks come from those who really know what in the hell they are doing, using components from any and every company that will get them the best combination to win wether it is on the drag strip, the pulling dirt, or the dyno.

thanks.

Guys just relax a little bit, OK. This fight is between Banks and Charlie Stewart. All the "bench racing" and "smack talking" in the world won't prove a single thing so let's just wait it out and let the track do the talking. There's no sense in taking shots at each other and getting hard feelings over something like this.

A ripping is always in order when someone trys to put words in my mouth and make up fabrications. Maybe the younger generation needs to learn to be more professional and only deal with facts. But, maybe I was a little harsh. No offense to you Phil because I dont know you personally so dont take it as a personal attack. :tttt:


Nevertheless, what Gale has done is show that he's already has broken the 7 second mark in private testing. Bringing the truck out with the road race motor, after season, in an NHRA event and running quicker than any other diesel powered truck has run is just a precurser and a teaser if you will. Those that have been following the battle for the last 20 years between Gale, Charlie, and the Brit's will see this tactic used back and forth by all camps. This is effective marketing and no different than any other company does to try and apply pressure to the competition. I'm about to release a new product in about 6 months into the Oil/Gas business that blows our competition out of the water. We've leaked just a little bit of info giving a teaser as to what we found in testing to try and apply pressure to the competition. So far it's working because two of our biggest competitors are quickly trying to move into market regions with their existing equipment that we have a hold on which is exactly what we wanted them to do. It's the same ol battle just like between Ford, Dodge, and Chevrolet camps and it's this type of competition and rivalry that breeds marketing techniques and TV commercials. It's all good fella's. Healthy competition is good for all. That is why we race isnt it? :c:

Okay I'll do my best to keep this civil. But you accuse me of putting words into your mouth.
Well when I said about him having the fastest land speed diesel was I putting words into your mouth? No. You left the statement very open all that tells me is any world record and seeing as to how this thread pertains to the Dmax typeD then I went on the assumption as that is what you were talking about. But that's neither here nor there right now. I never nay sayed what he did. I never said something to down his run. Yay yippy skippy his making a good statement for diesel drag racing, running a low 8 second run smokeless is great. But I like to look at the way Pat McSwain looks at it. Gas is so easy to get to run faster. You can get a gas engine tube car in the eights with so much less money than banks did the dmax typeR that makes those not in the "inner circle" of diesel competition sports think that it's not worth it to try to run fast. But if they Keating, Charlie Stewart, or the owners of DirtyMax had such great publicity as Gale Banks does then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. But as it is now with as much money as has gone into the project the thing should have come out running sevens. I love how whenever somebody goes against Banks and the way they bash other guys going fast that there is always one person who will stick up for them. But I guess that is the wonderful nature of this great nation. There will always be Catholics and Protestants, Democrats and Republicans, Dodge drivers and Chevy drivers, Coors drinkers and Bud drinkers. And no matter what you do things will always be that way. So in closing I say congratulations to Gale Banks and his gobs of money project. Give that money to me and I bet I can run sevens with a twelve valve, buy a tow rig and make it run a quick time at the track, hook back up and still pay for a tank of fuel to pull the "fast truck" back home.

Well, I'm done here. You chose to start a fight and it will only continue to worsen as we will never see eye to eye so the boom box is now off. Let the timeslips speak for themselves at the start of the new season. Good luck to all who are involved on all the teams running in the 8's and to those who are moving our sport forward. :c:

A wise man once stated that you could walk up on a sane person and an idiot arguing and never know who the idiot is. So on the accord I will gracefully bow out. I have better things to do than quibble over such things that have no effect to your or myself financially. We gain nothing by carrying anybodies flag. But my parting comment, congrats to Banks.

Let me make something perfectly clear. I engage in healthy debate and have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. I address issues and dont attack people which is a big part of how I have gotten to where I am today. How boring would the world be if we all thought the same, talked the same and agreed on the same issues. If you want to lower yourself to personal attacks your going to find yourself in trouble. Once someone begins using such tactic they have lost the entire essence of the debate and intended purpose. I wont personally attack you and would expect that you want the same respect back from . Ponder the statement you made and re-evaluate your position.

i didnt mean to stir anything up, just thought this is a funny thread because we got somone 20 years older than the other person argueing over stuff...

good entertainment is a must for my reading materials. lol

Not quite sure why you think that you stirred up anything because you never engaged in the topic of discussion. So far Phil has been contributing to the topic of this thread with healthy debate, which is its intended purpose, but you haven't. Yes, there is a difference between argument and debate. Make a contribution to the topic of the thread or don't post.

Let's continue this debate with facts not opinions. Please make no personal attacks and continue to keep it on topic.

So this is currently a 1 on 1 debate between you and phil. Gotcha. If I joined in, it may then transform into a mass debate then?


lol man I crack myself up

As with all threads they are open for debate with whomever wants to be involved. By all means get involved if you have anything to share on the topic. Otherwise, dont make anymore posts.

I did not mean that as a jab or personal attack at you. I find myself rather crazy sometimes. As far as this subject goes I will back down. Rather to keep your mouth closed and let them wonder if you're stupid, then open and remove all doubt.

Alrighty then...

all i have to say is let mr banks get into the real purpose of diesel motors...SLED PULLING, when and if he can ever make a smokeless 1800HP Dmax try to compete with the numerous 1500+HP diesels out there then maybe he will prove something to me. Because all he is proving right now is he knows how to waste money. Im glad he can go fast, now try to actually put his motor to a real test. hook 40-60,000 pounds behind it and see how far he can drag dead weight. Unti lhe does that Gale Banks to me is just a witch doctor.

Anybody can read a book, search the internet, or copy someone else's work for such statements that have been around since the beginning of time. Proverb or plagiarism.
Phil, there is no need to back down on the subject and please continue to post. The thread was started to accomplish exactly what has taken place. If you strongly feel that you shouldn't post thats ok, but if you strongly feel that you should post thats ok too. This thread was started to spark responses on the subject matter and get peoples view points and opinions on what is taking place in the Pro-Street and Pro-Stock diesel community. No problem there, and I appreciate your honesty and willingness to fight for what you believe. BUT, make one more one liner personal attack, especially toward a moderator or admin, and your going to find yourself in trouble. There's no room for that here at DB. We are quite liberal and will let you respond with your view point and opinion on the matter, whether I or anyone else agrees or not, which is completely ok and what the thread was started for to begin with. BUT, resorting to "one liner" personal attacks wont be tolerated toward anybody and especially not the leadership of this site. If you want to continue with your view point and opinion on the matter, without personal attacks, then by all means please do so because this thread will last for several months and be filled with view points and opinions by many others which is welcomed. Just leave the shots across the bow at the door. This also goes for anyone who posts at DB. If there is anyone who wants to resort to personal attacks or belittling of others then there are plenty of other sites out there that will let you do that but we aren't going to condone it here. SO, with that said lets continue on with the debate as it was intended to be, which was to air out the battle between two great diesel power enthusiasts that have greatly contributed to our sport whether either one of them be right or wrong. :c:

Well, that is certainly a matter of opinion because myself as well as many others in diesel motorsports dont care anything about sled pulling. We like to push the edge of speed which Gale has accomplished very well, whether it be top speed or being the quickest diesel powered pick-up. I can pull up one of my Case tractors and outpull any one of those trucks that drag a sled. With the recent breakthroughs in the DMax community in that past year it wont be long before you see an 1800hp Chevrolet in the mix. Who cares who does it but I'm quite certain Gale wont place any weight or focus on it. Sled pulling doesnt make much money but drag racing eventually does. Nothing in life is free.

i support both factions of people, drag and sled, along with corporate and home built trucks, if it werent for some of the home built guys doing what they do, we wouldnt have nearly the "street" level of competition we do today. the corporate crowd, banks, ats, dr. performance, those types, have the money to advance the sport, most of us cant afford to build an engine, test it, blow it up, rebuild it, blow it again, put another one together and repeat the process, but they do and that is called the trickle down effect, sure banks dosent offer huge horsepower from his regular stuff, but its safe reliable extra horsepower and it helps alot of entry level new diesel guys get some power without destroying their truck, eventually those guys will move up to bigger and better things, look at people like Kyle Michaels, Richard "MAD DOG" Madsen, Erik Stacey, and Eric Merchant, who would of guessed 7 years ago that there would be 1000 hp street driven trucks or 1500 horsepower sled pullers or even a diesel beating on the 7 second door. They have advanced the diesel world farther than most cause they are grassroots but still got the money to keep their dream alive and make it better for all of us, we should support any type of diesel motorsports and any manufacturer or competitor as long as they keep a reasonably ethical spirit of competition.

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Dangerous, u have obviously never been outside of TX. Sled pulling is by far more popular out this way than drag racing because 75% of the Diesel owners out here actually use their trucks in daily routine IE pulling trailers. So sled pulling is more popular and who is in it for the money?? NOT ME

Gentlemen, these is no reason to ruffle feathers or get personal here. Lets be adults. And if you dont have anything positive to offer - please stay out of the conversation. Thanks.

yall are nothin but a bunch of wussies....






























i figured if i said that i could drag this argument out a few more hours:baby:HAHAHA

wats positive about spending nearly half a million dollars on a truck that can only do one thing well????

Chill out dudes...........damn it man

nuttin wrong with spendin a shit ton of cash on any truck as long as it does whatt YOU want it to do

also remember what you like or want aint necessarly what the other guy wants .......................its a big world out there and a ton of room for all of us

Look, personally I think Logan pretty much said it all.

What the trucks are for, who built them, and what is under the hoods doesn't really matter. At least it shouldn't. The point is that they're DIESELS, they're pushing the limits, and sooner or later something is going to trickle down that the grass roots people CAN and WILL use because of this. Now maybe these trucks won't contribute to sled pulling, road racing, daily drivers, etc but MAYBE they will and I for one can't wait to find that answer out.

I honestly feel that we're about to cross a threshold here for diesel performance and perhaps, finally, a broad acceptance in this country for the diesel. Let's wait it out guys. See what happens. Maybe it'll be nothing but we don't know.

Would you spend a half million on a 2500hp sled puller?................I thought so.

Who cares what people spend THEIR money on. Its not yours so what does it matter.

I cant say that I like banks products, I think they are low on power and high on price. I have never owned one so dont but alot of faith in that statement. But, no matter what, If someone told you there was a "a guy" who built a pretty sweet Duramax tube frame truck that could make a 8 second pass with out a hint of smoke you would have kicked them in the nuts, and thought that they were an idiot. So what if it takes a 3 gallons of No2 to get down the track, fast gassers use alot, why cant we. If he can keep the heads screwed on maybe he will shed some light on hows hes doing and let us in on the secret??? thus advancing the sport.

If the Dr. Perf truck shows up and get his butt handed to him he will probably go back to his shop try something new and spend alot of money just to beat banks. He will do something that advances the sport, obviously where hes at is not the leading edge, he will have to try something new. If the predator truck wins then banks will have to do the same thing.

Im personally rooting for the cummins, but I drive a Dmax.

In the words of the great Ricky Bobby

" I just wanna go fast"

Jamie

Shake and Bake!!!