If You Shoot Somebody...Don't Do This...
 

Seems the bad guy was shot twice...took the gun away from the good guy who was legally carrying concealed and then killed him...

Nothing like getting shot and killed by your own gun....

Grand jury to decide charges in deadly shooting case | The Tennessean | tennessean.com

No surprise here. A lot of people who carry concealed or other wise are either not trained to or unable to handle the situation. Should they not carry? Dead or injured is dead or injured, doesn't matter if it's with your own gun or your assailant hands around your throat. I will not deny anyone the right to try and defend themselves.

If you carry a gun you need to also carry a knife on your belt ready to go if a bad guy goes for your gun. I carry a KaBar last ditch LEK that is fixed blade and ready to pull out of retention sheath. If he goes for your gun cut his wrist to hamburger.:bat:

Looks Like a Darwin Award Nomination to Me
 

He missed his chance to use the pistol if he's already engaged in fisticuffs.

But regardless, shooting somebody over a parking lot road rage fight is pretty gawd damned stupid. In the jaw? I guess that's one head shot that was bit off the mark. I wonder which poorly placed shot was first - the head or the leg?

They were both in the wrong, but I think Darwin got it right after it was all said and done. :w2:

[sarcasm]Come on though... All the mall ninjas know that head shots are were its at if you a real tacticool gun pro... Center of mass shots a waste of time....[/sarcasm]

Wonder if his gun had a frame mounted thumb safety:w2:

Great choice. :tu:
Every pair of my boots has one in the laces.

Never been much on the tac knives so this is a serious question not sarcasm or anything. Can you really relize someone is going for you gun, react, draw a knife and cut them before they get you gun. I would think they have a hell of a head start by already being moving toward if not hands on your gun before your mind even relizes what is going on. Just thinking out loud...

Its just what I carry. I have it at a position where it is nothing to pull and stab or cut with. I have no idea what I would do in that situation, but the 2 were probably all tied up before the gun came out. So that could be where the shot to the leg came from and the gun being taken from him. I dont know, without more detail.

But as far as the knife I carry, my father in law is a retired Secret Service agent. He is the reason I carry what I carry. He doesnt carry the knife I have. I carry a Buck knife for knife work next to my streamlight on my left pocket. My KaBar knife was a groomsman present.
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It can happen so fast, I've taken weapon retention classes knowing the guy was going to take my weapon and kill me with it..as I held him at gunpoint...the pistol in my hand pointed at him....

Even knowing this....I died...several times...it's a strange feeling looking down the barrel of your gun as the "bad guy" pulls the trigger...

It's different when they come up and grab your sidearm in a holster...how you can take it to the ground if you plan & train for this...but unless you have a retention holster it's extremly hard and even then be prepared to get your ass kicked...hard....

A trained and knowledgeable person can take your gun out of your hands and shoot you before you realize it..and before you can grab your knife and start slicing..

Thats what I figured. Better then not having a knife though I'm sure.

The times I've been doing weapon retention drills I've been so busy with both hands I've not even been able to grab a knife. When somebody grabs or tries to grab your gun it's a furball of epic proportions...those who say they will grab a knife and slice you...have never trained..but watched lots of TV and movies...

Plus, it's not easy to cut somebody, it's actually extremly nasty, can be bloody like you have never seen blood before..warm...sticky...smelly...it's harder to have the cutting mindset than the shooting...

Now personally if I was going to carry a knife to cut somebody I'd want a knife designed to cut a human, with a blade designed to cut human flesh, muscle, bone...some have the general shape, but if the blade is not designed to cut a human it will not do nearly as much damage...and a human can bleed tons before dying or getting weak enough to stop trying to kill you...

I prefer the spyderco civilian, it's designed for only one task...to slice a human...

The Civilian has a patented reverse "S" blade that's intended to be used like an oversized claw. The tip is ground to an ultra-thin profile. Deeply curved and full at the belly, the VG-10 hollow-ground blade excels in slicing and is available fully SpyderEdged. Because of its distinctly specialized features it is not intended or designed for general utility or everyday use. Curved in all the right places for ergonomic use and retention of the knife, the handle is black G-10. Mounted for tip-down carry with a custom curved black clip,

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That is a wicked looking blade:scare2:

man that thing would hurt!!!

It's designed to suck the meat into the blade & in a reverse hold against a wrist it could almost remove your hand from your arm...

When I do open carry it is in a holster that has 2 separate retention devices. I can pull it very quickly as I am familiar with it and I have practiced with it. Somebody else would take alot longer to be able to figure out how to draw the weapon from the holster.

And if you ever have to pull and shoot, you better keep shooting until they are down for the count.

I open carry a grenade. You crazier than I am? Huh? Huh? You think you're crazier than I am? Take it. Use it. Feel crazy? Well, let's get crazy.

That knife looks like Hell's version of a keyhole saw!:tu:

Meh...what's the kill zone of a hand grenade...how about the wound zone...

I'll just shoot you from 100 feet while sipping on some Wyoming Whiskey....and watch you explode...

wonder if a retentoin holster could of saved his life?

How??? he had already shot the guy twice...thus the gun was in his hand we can ASSume..and the guy he shot took it from him...after being shot....

Without knowing what caliber he was shooting we can ASSume all kinds of things that might be totally wrong...like he shot him with a 25 or 380 and was stunned that he did not fall back like in the movies...bleeding and dying...

i'm just saying if it was in a retentoin holster it probably would of turned out quite differently. that if it was in his holster.

If he used a grenade it wouldn't have mattered.

FIFY

No such thing as a magic one stop shot like in the movies with any cal if not put in the right spot.

if he had chuck norris it wouldn't have mattered.:moon:

How do you shoot somebody when your pistol is in a retention holster????

Not to mention, how many people carry concealed in a retention holster...

Personally for civilian use a retention holster is overkill and not needed unless you like to walk around in open crowds pretending to be joe cool policeman showing off your pistol...:pca1::pca1::pca1:

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Close Only Counts in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades
 

That's the thing with the anti's - they don't appreciate the subtle differences between things like spitwads, handguns, grenades and nuclear warheads.

They are all weapons = BAD. :scare2:

If You Shoot Somebody...Don't Do This...
 

The worst part it this whole ordeal sounds like it started cause the guy that ended up dying got his underwear wadded up his crack to much.

The hell! All weapons are GOOD! The bigger the better!


If they're far away, use gun. If they're close, use grenade.

[QUOTE=Ramprat;773022]How do you shoot somebody when your pistol is in a retention holster????

Not to mention, how many people carry concealed in a retention holster...

Personally for civilian use a retention holster is overkill and not needed unless you like to walk around in open crowds pretending to be joe cool policeman showing off your pistol...:pca1::pca1::pca1:

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well in my opinion a retentoin holster is better and is not overkill and is practical and might of saved this guys life. the :edit: you got to say to that?

I doubt having a retention holster would have saved this guys life... :D

I'm pretty sure his opponent (who had already been shot twice) was pretty well set on killing the guy whether it was with the gun in question, his bare hands or whatever it took to accomplish that task. :bat:

[quote=slightlyWETfart!;773420]So, explain exactly how a retention holster is going to save a guys life...when the flipping pistol is in his HAND and he just shot somebody twice....

And the guy who is shot slaps him around and takes his HANDGUN from his HAND...that IS NOT in a holster....

Humm......:humm::humm::humm::humm:

[quote=Ramprat;773586]They did not say his HANDGUN was in his HAND when it was taken away. I said "IF" it was in a retentoin holster it "MIGHT" of saved his life. Please get back to me IF this still too complicated to understand:tu:

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True they did not say where the pistol was when it was taken away...

However, I really doubt you would re holster you handgun after shooting somebody twice & the guy was still coming after you....

Don't know about you, but I'd still be shooting...I'd empty the pistol in his body...trying to stop the guy from beating me to death or even worse shooting me with my own pistol....

wow.... just wow...

That makes me laugh but not for the reason you were trying for...

I'm gonna put this in writing for you. We are a tight not group, a family if you will, we love new members and would love for you to join our group and be part of the family. You don't have to prove anything to be accepted here, you don't have to be "that guy". if you have a opinion different from the groups great, we want to hear it. You might be right. Pretty much don't be a tool, your already respected just because you are a person and thats how we do it around here. Its up to every member to keep or lose that respect.

Did somebody mention "that guy" have been thinking about getting a patch....

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I like the grenade idea personally.