Ricers and the famous saying "If it smokes, its Broke."
 

Why is it that ricers like to claim that if a truck smokes its broke? when that isn't the case at all. I've been making the arguement for years that its impossible to find a high power turbo diesel pickup that does not smoke. Hell a triple turbo cummins pushing 1000+ Hp still smokes. Just angers me when people try to tell me that a diesel is broke if it smokes and when you try to explain why they just say we don't know how to make horsepower the right way. We can't help it there is no such thing as an instant spooling turbo that can light up as soon as we step on it to clean the smoke up. I just don't get why people can't understand it when everything is laid out in front of them.

Remember they drive hondas so you are already working with a dumb crowd.......

true true, the one kid who kept arguing with me was in a bright orange 04 mazda speed -.-

A lot of them say it because they know it gets under the skin of the majority of diesel owners.

Quite a few of the "Honda" folks are more talented than many give them credit for--both in mechanical aptitude and psychological warfare.

The import crowd has taken trash talk to a new level.

With today's tuning capabilities and turbo technologies, there really is no reason we can't design and run cleaner diesels, even at higher HP levels.

Check out this 7.3... older engine, newer tuning. This is a 1000 rwhp capable truck, running emissions testing in Colorado. It passed with FLYING colors. Turn the knob on the dash and you're cranking 1000hp. Don't say it can't be done... this is on an old dinosaur of a motor too. Swamps 400/400 injectors in this rig.

with enough money anything is possible and by the way i also drive a honda too

You almost had me? You never had me - you never had your car... Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake! You almost had me? Now, me and the mad scientist got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings you fried. Ask any ricer. Any real ricer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning. :jump:

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Cool Story Bro!


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That sucks......

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I'm sorry to hear that. :lol::lol88:

i drive a honda and totally agree with you, but hey remember grandpa banks says smoke is no good hahah

oh boy, found out today the kid who was argueing with me is selling his car to buy a 99 24v for 10k cause it has a stack, programmer and rolls coal..... :td:

just DONT tell him about diesel bombers cause i cant take another thread on "how to smoke more" or some BS like that:argh::argh:

LMAO! I will be sure to keep it a secret lol :tu:

Thank You:D

I dont mind rollin a little coal but thats not my priority in life with my diesel. Its to work to haul cows and get me from a to b...

i was refering to the threads that are just about "blowin smoke". Smoke is a side effect of a diesel, but its NOT right when thats the reason someone buys a diesel.

i dont mind a good puff when i stomp on it:c:

I knew what you were reffering to the kids that all they want to do is smoke out the little rice burners. Which I dont mind doing in occasion.

nothing is wrong with that on occasion, but that should not be the reason someone owns a diesel

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Smokin out little ricer cars brings a smile to my face. One of the best parts of having a modded diesel!!

I bought my truck to have fun with though. Pretty much just a toy for me so I guess my opinion is a bit bias.

cause there ricers lol

especially if they are driving a convertable. I don't hate on the ricers, just the ones that are dicks. The ones that drive down streets with houses and schools, like they are driving on the freeway. Or ones that are weaving in and out of rush hour traffic, in a pos car that you just spray painted black and cut off the muffler. So now that you sound loud and "look" cool, you have to drive like your in a Indy race everywhere you go. I let those people know what I think of them with my exhaust pipe.

If you think about it, as tuners, Ricers (the good kind) and Diesel enthusiast are after the same thing...... Getting the most out of the veichles we have.

Ive heard this over and over again. There is a bunch of ricers that hangout in my 'ol town and they thought they were untouchable. Until we decided enough was enough and gave them a race. When their little hotwheels got their doors blown off by a +700 cummins they didnt talk smack anymore. I just laugh at 'em when they try to tell me all this stuff is wrong with my truck.

A diesel that smokes is not broken. Obviously guys who run smoke tunes are ruining it for us but show me a truck engine with 200,000 plus miles that does not smoke even a little bit. A VGT is not an instant spooling turbo. Does it spool faster than a fixed vane turbo? yes. Is is instant? not at all.

Id rather stick to my waste gate and fixed vane, VGT do not seem to last nearly as long as a fix, is it a efficient design yes it is, im sure like you said in the next decade thell be the future time will tell My truck hardly smokes even when I get on it, maybe at first when the RPMs start to come up it burps out a lil but. Just the way I like it Im burnin all my Diesel, which means HORSEPOWER!!!

I don't see any modifications in those two engines that are meant to make huge power over stock, and I bet they are not completely smokeless under load. A diesel engine that smokes is not broken like you imply. If it really was broken, it would not run anymore. So are you saying that diesel trucks, tractors, and construction equipment from the 40s to 60s with natural aspiration were broke? I am around construction equipment and gravel trucks all day that are in perfect operating condition and smoke under some kind of load and later clear up. So you just said they aren't instant spool yourself. You said as close as they can be. I'm just trying to prove my point that diesels can smoke and be in perfect working order, and VGT turbos are not instant spooling.

Behold, the almighty expert has returned. Our new equipment is under Cat extended warranty. That means Cat has a maintenance program set up for it, maintains it, and gets SOS oil samples on every service, and then rebuilds the major components at 10,000 hours. So that must mean their program isn't working. I guess our mechanic who has been a diesel mechanic for 35 years doesn't know what he is doing either, and neither do our operators. I also guess that means that our equipment, made for moving dirt, isn't spec'd for moving dirt. :argh:

Yes they rebuild them at 10,000 hours, thats just how their extended warranty program works. We still have some of the Cat equipment the company bought brand new when it started in the 70s including a 950 81J with 45,000 hours on it that had been rebuilt once. So yes, we do use Cats, you're very observant.

Caterpillar produces their own truck with their own truck engine, fyi.

I think you can just about figure out whatever you want with a parts and service manual and/or a call to a dealership technician.

Operating is an unskilled trade so I'm assuming you know the ins and outs of operating most equipment since you personally know that it's unskilled with your high level of skill?

You can't control the variables of the dirt you are working with. A Semi U blade on a dozer isn't going to carry much more dirt than it's made for, a 4 yard loader bucket isn't going to hold 8 yards of material, and 5 yards of clay or gravel isn't going to max out the lifting capacity of the 4 yard loader, etc.

Cat couldent meet High way specs to date and I know there doing the very best to make their engines conform to EPA standards, cat will be here for a good long while, maybe not in our peterbuilts any more, but I know for sure you not going to throw a cummins in to replace a cat 3500 Series v 16 in their mining trucks. Or for the freight liners, cat makes some of the biggest diesel and natural gas engines in the world... I know when I run my tractors I just set it to 1500 Rpm or 2000 RPM depending on what implement Im using, I dont want to sit in a tractor for 14 or maybe 24 hours a day using the foot throttle, I can deal with some smoke comming outta my stack, when Im tillin up the ground I can hit a soft spot and lug the tractor down and inturn Im puffin out smoke and inturn I bring it down a gear or two. emmsions dont even matter out here where I live we aint got any, our smog cloud is 2 ft by 2ft and since we have enough wind we just pass it on to you guys in the east. You actually not that far from where I live. 617.95

Any how cat is great with keeping their tech up to date, if they work for caterpiller. Even if hes been there for 35 years he has been certified for cats new technology, and systems. Every year the tech of taught the new systems, and if he cant comprehend the new systems he is let go. There a diffence between a driver and a operator and a operator and a mechanic. A driver just drives and never bothers to check his fluid, and operator does a flight check before running equipment and the Mechanic fixes evrything other than checkin oil. A operator does not neccesairly have to know how a diesel engines and it sytems work. IF they did alot of us would be outta jobs.

Show me the Cummins they use.

Our old timer does, his office is full of manuals and he even knows how to use his computer to look up digital parts manuals.

I operate construction equipment for a living. I'm not attacking you, just wondering where you came up with the fact that operating is an unskilled trade. I could just as easily call being a mechanic an unskilled trade, seeing as how I restore my own cars, and work on my own antique construction equipment and my pickup. I feel that I have been fairly civilized.

And thats why this company has been in business since the 70s, good planning and overall knowledge of the local industry.

You are comparing apples to oranges.
I'd like to see a truck driver that can carry grade with a finish dozer or a road grader.

I will agree with you that some operators make me shake my head, but you are stereotyping. I'd appreciate it if you had a little more respect for my profession.

I grew up operating equipment. I enjoy it so much I even do it in my free time. I get more hours per week than a diesel mechanic in this area would. If my grandpa didn't start this construction company, I would be a diesel mechanic actually.

who cares what the honda guys think ha :tu:

There are two choices in the cat tucks Cummins or a Cat, anyhow anyone can call them seves a mechanic and a opperator. What ASE certs do ya have any how, I see you a master technician so you must have several good job!

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Emmisons aint my problem we already screwed up this world so if you F*** up F**** up good.

So your certified on Diesel Engines and PM and Inspections... Good job!:tu:

Sh*t operators make good money plus it a great way to make a living. And as far as unskilled trade you have lost your damn mind. Operating is an art form you :asshat:. You come on here and act like your god's gift to the diesel world. People around here don't take kindly to that.

I have held my tongue on the way you handle yourself but no more. Either help people or find another forum to TROLL!

So what do you want unmaned drivers in this country??? We need em all, Transit, Long Haul, and machine operators, and yes machine opereators can make good money not in denver for the DOT or construction companies but in mines, and ect, THe guys that drive the big ass Cat mining truck make over 100 bucks and hour why, because it takes skill, and saftey to drive those trucks, bet that more than you make at you job, sorry man but this is a lil irritating, just shut it and quite bashing other people jobs, and what they like to do, any body can turn a god damn wrench, it takes skill to know how to repair, thing too, there people that love driving long haul because they get to see parts of the country no one will ever see, If i was to drive for a living I take the long haul over city transit why I HATE THE CITY!!!!!!! just shut it man Im sorry but your about to turn this whole forum against you... You were fine till you stated bashing operators, old timer mechanincs (Which there are many that will have forgottten more than you will ever learn) and the Sacred caterpillar. We also need people that know the old technology because sadly no one has hundreds of millions of dollars to buy brand new excavators, dozers, trucks and ect.... Like me I have a 1970 John deere a 1981 Hesston 1380 DT, and some tractors from the 50's and 60's... You can explain about VGT and Tuning Diesel but hell dont bash Cat!!!! Thank you... Have a great day...

I know you cetified H2-H8 sorry, Im not being an ass by saying that im realy saying good job....

In my book a driver drives something and an operator operates machinery. :moon:

I agree with H.R.D theres a huge difference between drivers and operators and both are needed. I don't even understand how you could even have the audacity to come on here and bash other poeples career choice just because its not what you enjoy doing. especially two that keep people like you in the job. if it wasn't for them breaking stuff, which is inevitable in this type of work, there would be no need for mechanics like you. and why waste your time argueing with unskilled operators who are apparently so inferior to you?

Back to the OP and not the other topic at hand.

Don't get me wrong, Im dead set against smoke tunes, smoking people out, and all that nonsense. But it burns me up how so many people today, diesel owners especially, that will bash another diesel owner if their truck puts out even a little smoke. Its just ridiculous.

You know, I had my truck set up for no smoke. Running no plate, 4k GSK, 35/40 hybrid; AFC housing all the way back, and starwheel very tight. It would put out a barely a haze if floored at low RPM, but you know what, it was laggy. Loosened the starwheel off a little with AFC still all the way back, now it puts out a little cloud if floored at no boost, but spools quick, and cleans up quick.

Is my truck efficient? I can confidently say it is. Does it smoke a little? By God, yes it does.