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Red_Rattler 01-05-2009 06:20 PM

Yup, its in DieselPower as well......

faheyb 01-09-2009 07:45 PM

ATS will not see one dollar from me until this is cleared up!

DB Admin 01-09-2009 07:50 PM

Whats to clear up?

Johnny Z 04-14-2009 09:48 PM

Lets give Clint A :ouch:

ETXBlueRam 04-17-2009 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Johnny Z (Post 323874)
Lets give Clint A :ouch:

I'd say he did a very good job of that himself...:pca1:

busta 04-17-2009 11:30 AM

:humm: my local dodge dealer is a dealer for ats and wants to build my tranny with billet ats parts but that ain`t happening with this letter NO ats parts will be on my truck
they couldn`t even give em to me free :w2:

vlado 05-11-2009 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by SPEAKSUP (Post 254644)
I will post this over here this was original posted on Comp D The letter was told not to be sent by Clint after is was Drafted someone stole it and placed t all ove the Diesel Forums please take your time to read it.

My name is Joel Richards. Many of you know who I am. I’m the IT guy at ATS whom some of you think should be replaced/fired/burned at the stake, etc… I’m a contractor for ATS and have been for over 5 years. I’m the one responsible for the ATS website, email servers, application servers, among other various things.

I’m sending this out because I feel that somebody should give you all a life-lesson. Might as well be me. I'm not posting on behalf of ATS. I'm posting on behalf of me. I wasn't asked to post, nor was I asked not to.

Read fast, as this will surely be deleted in short order... Copy and paste on other forums at your hearts content as this will be the only forum I post to since it all started here with someone thinking he was doing the world a whole bunch of good. For those of you whom this does not apply to, please forgive my use of broad terms such as “all” in the following text.

I love the fact that the people posting this rhetoric use the “I’m not sure if this is true, but...” line of crap. Here’s a new concept for you. Find out if it’s true before you post, eh? Wow – hard concept to grasp sometimes I guess. I’m also aware that there will be pieces of this letter that are pulled out and will be used out of context – it’s to be expected, but oh, well. It will be interesting to see who’s afraid to post it in it’s entirety and who isn’t.

So, I begin:

The vast majority of you are propagandizing hypocrites! You sit behind your keyboards and pass judgment on ATS and Clint, but you don’t know 1/10th of what goes on at ATS or any other place of business in which you deal with.

So, Clint admits that the letter was written. He could have just as easily denied the whole thing – after all, only Clint and Stewart even knew the letter existed. Everybody at ATS was as stunned as I was when the letter hit the forums. Clint admitted the letter was written, and also said that he shot down the idea immediately. What do you all take from this? You don’t take the fact that he ADAMANTLY said not to proceed with the letter at all, but rather you just look at the admittance of the letter being in existence to add to your condemnation of him and ATS. What else would anybody expect from a bunch of forum rats. Sometimes I wonder why I’m no longer active on forums... Thank you all for reminding me!

Then you all condemn ATS with the “lawyers don’t do things like this on their own” bull****. Are you so stupid that you can’t figure out from the many posts about it that Stewart is the OPERATIONS MANAGER of ATS! Of course he knows what’s going on with EVERY ASPECT of the company – and he’s an attorney to boot. He serves multiple roles in the company, but some of you obviously can’t comprehend that. For the past two years Stewart has attended every CARB/EPA/SEMA meeting with Clint so that ATS could try to help relax the EPA’s rules on diesel emissions – for the benefit of the entire diesel community! How stupid can you be??!! The difference between stupidity and idiocy is simply this: idiots don’t have the capacity to learn, therefore they are doomed to an idiots’ existence – stupid people, on the other hand, have the capacity to learn but they refuse to because they are lazy and would rather have others do the thinking and learning for them. Open your eyes and you’ll see what the hell is going on here, or keep them closed and continue to be lead around by the invisible noose around your neck like sheep being lead to slaughter. The choice is yours – seriously.

So now we get the “I don’t buy that Clint’s email was hacked” bullcrap. I’ll enlighten you as to some of those things at ATS that you aren’t aware of. Clint trusts the management of ATS with privileged information – he trusts that team to the extent that ALL OF THEM KNOW HIS PASSWORDS for his email, domain, etc… Imagine that! That’s one of the many ways he’s helped by his management team to run ATS – you’re all fools if you think he runs this company all by himself. Some of the people that were management at ATS are no longer around. You constantly bring up ex-ATS employees that are disgruntled. It’s no secret that there is a high level of animosity between those ex-employees and ATS. Unfortunately, Clint hasn’t changed any passwords until just last week when it was discovered that his email was compromised. You’re all pissed that this letter, which was privileged and confidential, was released on the forums. You’re pissed that Clint is upset for people finding out what was one person’s thoughts on a specific situation. Don’t you think he has a right to be upset that an idea he said no to is out there being used to discredit him? Are all of you so daft that you can’t see what the hell is going on here? So, the person who ILLEGALLY compromised Clint’s email decided to grab a copy of something he thought would bury ATS. It was sent around to everyone under the sun so that numerous people could again attempt to discredit ATS to the best of their ability – but you’re all ok with that person sending the email…

So you’re all pissed off at Clint. You’re saying that the letter was “leaked to the forums on purpose” – what kind of glue are you sniffing??!! Now all that ATS has to do is find out what can legally be done to prosecute the person who accessed Clint’s email without his knowledge or consent. Make no mistake about the fact that ATS will prosecute the spineless twink who did it. Many of you know who it is, in fact, but you refuse to “rat him out”. You all protect him, yet have him to thank for everybody in the diesel community, including the EPA being made aware of PDI manufacturing and selling DPF delete kits. Yeah, that’s right - him, not Clint.

Speaking of DPF delete kits, everyone reading this knows that they are illegal. They will void your manufacturers warranty, and it’s against the law to install one of them on your truck – PERIOD! To hell with the “this product for offroad use only”, and the releases that must be signed to purchase one. Why do you think that you have to sign one of those releases anyway? It’s because they are ILLEGAL!

Some of you also have stated that Clint has been sending letters to the EPA for a year – putting DDP in Monroe out of business or some such crap. Where’s the proof? Show me the letter – show all of us the letter. You can’t because IT DOESN’T EXIST! You’re just trying to be big man on campus pulling crap out of your rear end to sling and see if it sticks. God, I hate liars. Very few of you demand proof of such crap, but when it comes to ATS and Clint, you need no proof at all because you read it on the Internet... What gives?

How many of you believe that the US Government is hiding aliens down in Roswell? These forums are a conspiracy theorists’ wet dream!

Many of you seem top think that this is a carefully concocted marketing plan to advertise the release of the ATS’ new DPF system. Perhaps some of you really are idiots and not just plain stupid after all.

Besides all of this, according to the vast majority of you, Clint and ATS doesn’t have the ability to design and manufacture products. ATS is the ONLY company to offer their unprecedented warranty on ATS manufactured products. Who is manufacturing all of ATS’s products then? Get a clue, people!

So now, thanks to the person who compromised Clint’s email, that person has generously provided the EPA with numerous lists via all of the forums of a good many of you who would rather break the law by installing DPF Delete Kits rather than try to help find a solution for the inevitable fact that DPF’s are a part of every diesel owners future. He’s a hero, and Clint is an ass??? Get real!

Now, all of you are calling for a boycott of ATS – “Let’s put Clint out of business” most of you are saying. To hell with the 40 people he employs who don’t even know that these forums exist. To hell with all of those employees and their families??!! I mean, Hey! They can just find other jobs in this economy. There are plenty of jobs available for converter builders, dyno operators, transmission builders, shipping personnel – no problem, right? Or the vendors which ATS deals with, or the taxes ATS pays to help bolster the local economy. To hell with all of them due to some spineless twink illegally compromising Clint’s email thinking he’s doing something good for everyone – copying that email which was stricken down by Clint the second he read it.

Yeah, Clint and ATS is surely the bad guy here – right??? All of you who subscribe to this rhetoric are just simple hypocrites. Nothing more, nothing less.




wow why dont you tell us how you realy feel about this.:moon:

Uncle Bubba 05-11-2009 10:48 PM

So did anybody ever find out if this Joel Richards still works for ATS. Personally I wouldn't have cared to much about the letter itself, but I sure wouldn't do any business with ATS as long as this Asshat worked for them or any other company that employed him. I was just glad to know that a man that has absorbed so much of our money through his paycheck thinks so highly of us.

Red_Rattler 05-12-2009 12:15 AM

ATS was at TS so I was looking around at there booth and just asked where this new high performace DPF was since its the best thing since sliced bread. TS was going to have alot of people at it so why not have one to ooo and awwww at? Dude just kinda rambled off an excuse and started talking to other people :lol: WTF?

angelic0- 05-12-2009 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by busta (Post 264396)
Diesel World is now showing the ats high-flow dpf on the bottom of page 6 in the March issue :humm::humm::humm:

This is without a doubt something i'm off to buy and install on my 1gen...

I'll just custom fit it...

Then when ATS goes out of buisness i can tell everyone i have the thing that put them out.


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