Chip?
 

which chip will blow more smoke tony wildman or dp tuner on my 02 7.3

i heard wildman plenty of times...but when i asked which is better on performance everyone says they are around the same...so i ono

DP
 

I don't have experience with Tony Wildman, but my DP chip on 80 or 120 Hp makes lots of smoke!:rocking:

Jody, of DP also wrote me a custom shift point tune to my liking -- he's great and very knowledgable.

There all going to be the same at the top end, there is only so much fuel to give and thats it.

You want a chip that shifts well, runs well and gets good MPG.

dp tuner is the best in my opinoion for the 99-03 psd hands down

You will be happy with either chip.

my two friends have the dp and those things are smokey...when they roll through the gears it's lights out....i have no experience with the other one but i know the dp will smoke fore sure:ok1:

of all the discussion I have heard on this topic, the general consensus is; wildman has better tunes for 99 1/2 and older and DP is the winner with 99 1/2 and up psd?
you can't go wrong with either.

I am still very happy with my DP programs.:tu:

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IMO DP Tuner isnt the best out there... And smoke is dumb.

I have had DP Tuner Swamps and Gearhead tunes on my truck and out the them Matt at Gearhead is WAY better. Shiftpoints our awesome and power is awesome and smoke control is awesome.

Well... Get Matt over here... We have very few 7.3 tuners over here!!!

My three picks would be Swamps, Gearhead or PHP... Elite is right there as well.

Jody (of DP Tuner) is not near me either. He's way down in TN. I ordered mine via a few phone calls. Everyone will have their favorites. That's for sure.

The point I was making is that he went the extra mile to give me a custom tune. I have since turned several of my local friends on to DP Tuner and they have all been very satisfied.

I came to DP Tuner after exhausting Edge and SCT. I liked the electronic screens with gauges but nothing else was good. Those made more smoke as well. It also turns out that the gauges were crap too. My EGT's always looked like I was heating up to 1500* at WOT!!! The boost never looked higher than 24 psi either. Then, with both of those tuners I added my Di Pricol analog gauges. The boost was that low but EGT's were 1100*. That means there was more left to go.

With my DP Tuner set on 120 hp Race I have seen 31 psi and 1300* EGT's with very little smoke -- all with a stock turbo!!! Shifts are firm and right on. I told him he ought to package my shift point strategy and use that for basic mailorder tunes.:c:

I loved my DP tuner too...

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I don't get it. Are you being sarcastic, like DP Tuner had something to do with your engine carnage? Please explain in detail.:humm:

I loved my DP Tuner also

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I'm kind of new to this diesel performance stuff, but do you care to explain how a power chip can cause the block to crack?

To much timing and CP can cause anything to happen.

I would expect the rods to give before the block unless there was a problem with the block already- improper casting, damage, etc.

Most the time it is the rods... but it will find the weakest part and take it out 1st... this happened to be the block on his..

On my motor it was all 8 pistons cracked and both heads.

I'm not going to say it was all DP Tuner but it had something to do with it as you can tell by the piston and the burns all the way out the the edge of the piston almost to the wall.

LOL

Rods stronger than a block... I would say that block had issues that would have surfaced eventually even if the truck was completely stock.

Cracked pistons and heads sounds like your motor got too hot to me, but as I said I'm new and just trying to learn some stuff here.

Did you not look at the picture of the piston???? There was so much timing on that motor that the fuel was almost hitting the damn cylinder walls

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But we all know its normal to have the fuel spray on the cylinder walls...:w2:

I'll say it again... I'm new to this diesel performance game. Until I viewed this thread I had never seen a picture of a piston, much less seen one in person.
So I take it that the fuel is supposed to be sprayed in the bowl in the piston, and the marks on your piston show that the fuel is being sprayed outside the bowl? Okay, I can understand too much timing advance causing that. Wouldn't the truck run piss poor though if the fuel was being injected far too early? And I still think a cracked cylinder head and piston would be due to a lot of heat on a continued basis.
It sounds like after the last post by "Diezel Dawg" that the motor in "CSIPSD's" truck had a history of problems, and that it was highly modified even though he felt there was something wrong with it to start with (though the info seems to be copied from somewhere else and is missing a few links it seems). Modifying a motor that seems to be having troubles to start with doesn't seem like the greatest idea to me, and probably contributed greatly to the ultimate demise of that motor.

It is somewhat normal to have a bit of spray outside of the bowl. It is not normal to have it hitting the side of the cylinder walls.

Diesel Dawgs post was cut and pasted from another site, I have no issue with him reposting it if he gets it correct. It would be better if he had something to say himself rather then use someone elses work...

I felt my motor had to much blow by. It was checked and found to be within the normal limits, which they leave out.

My first motor went over 100k without issue. Running stock injectors, stage 1 injectors, stage 2 injectors and hybrids.

When I switched to hybrids there was a slight issue with the injector install which cost me the motor. My fault, never said anything differant. But appon tear down there was nothing wrong with that motor other then the one piston I melted down. No star pattern, no cracked pistons, no block issues, no head issues...

New motor went in, it was a short block, which I added my completly rebuilt heads, ARP studs, valve springs and everything else from the old motor. Only thing I changed is... The one thing I should not have. Tuning

First motor went 100k running upwards of 60% water/meth injection in testing, water injection nearly every day of its life. Higher EGT's...

Second motor made it less then 35k... running no more then 40% meth and most times just water, lower EGT's and more boost. When pulled, Every piston was cracked, heads were cracked, block was cracked... Bummer...

But hey, we all know tuning has nothing to do with blocks letting go...

What exactly are hybrids?
I still fail to see a connection in your case between a failed engine block and a power chip. In my mind, there had to have been an issue with that block in order for it to fail without something else failing first.

Hybrids are a type of injector, they are a AD body, with a BD plunger and barrel in them. This allows more fuel with less HPO demand.

Its not all that uncommon to blow the block and or rods out the side of the block... Click this Survey Results link and read up...

the survey results summery is miss leading look at each failure and draw your own conclutions 80% of the motors that failed in this 49 engine survey were not tuning related

Joe Dont delete my post or I will go over your head mini mod.

Oh so did you run engine failure analysis on all them motors?

That is the exact same thing every had been saying to us when we say that tune could be an issue in that survey.

The truth is no one knows.

but it is kinda odd if you look at that data and see that 30 or 49 engines were running DP Tuner.

That survey doesn't seem to hold much water in my mind. Only 49 responses makes for a very statistically poor survey. The data presented just doesn't seem to add up.

I wanted to add: How many of these trucks were produced? Tens of thousands? 49 responses doesn't even come close to having any statistical validity no matter how you cut the cake.
"big stroker"- you are quick to call "camojeeper@gmail.com" out for not having assessed the blown motors. Have you assessed each of the motors? Are you a certified mechanic who is qualified to do a failure analysis?

LOL... You do what ever you think you need to Steve.

How do you know that 80% of the motors in that survey were not tuning related? Is this coming from your "well edgmecated" mind or someone elses???

The survey was open on 6 differant forums for about 5 months, anyone that wanted to could fill one out. It would be great if 100 or more people filled it out, but you cant make them. Same thing happened when Dennis at ITP did his survey... far to many DP motors to continue...

Everyone hates the graphs, but I am going to bust them out again... Give me a few...

So users from 5 forums, with multiple thousands of users, could only contribute 49 failures. Still no statistical validity. Far too small of a sample size. And it sounds like this has been done once before without success, so why do it again? What do you mean by "far to many DP motors to continue..."? If you look at the data from your survey, stock injectors and automatic transmissions are destroying motors. 82% of the failed motors also had cold air intakes, I thought cold air intakes were supposed to be good for the engine?

Think about it this way...

What do you put in a truck that changes EVERYTHING about the way the truck runs?

Bad fuel? Improper oil? Dirty air filter? Many things other than a power chip can affect the performance of the motor. 49 failures out of many thousands ain't worth the paper its written on amigo. How many power chipped trucks are there on the road that haven't had engine failure? I'd bet you a handsome sum of money its a lot more than 49. And since you didn't answer my questions should I write them again or can I assume your lack of response means you have no good answer to provide?

LMFAO I don't have to argue with you about it.

Yeah there wasnt many people that took the survey. Oh well there was enough to see a trend.

why do I get this feeling I have argued with you b4. :argh:

Oh and I'm at work that's why there are short answers

As far as the first attempt... It worked great, just pointed at one thing...

... Ok...

85-90% of the 7.3's out there are automatics...
80% of the time one of the first mods people do is a cold air intake...

Do you understand why things like that are not really relivent?

How does bad fuel effect SOI(Start Of Injection)?

No one has ever said there is not more then 49 failures, but if thats all you can get thats all you can get...

I think he is a troll... But I have no proof as of yet. I dont want to chase anyone off so...