Huge gains from FICM ONLY tune!
 

Yes folks, that's right. Those crazy guys at the PHP labs who brought you the very first FICM reflashes have been cooking up a whole new brand of insanity! We make "Crazy Eddie" look like he's been given a dose of Thorazine. You wanted the biggest and baddest FICM tune? Check this out!!!

Stock: 329 HP @ 3050 RPM & 598 Ft./Lbs. @ 2150 RPM
Mod: 440 HP @ 3050 RPM & 899 Ft./Lbs. @ 2250 RPM

Test Vehicle Parameters:
2004 F-250 Single Cab 2WD
Stock Exhaust (including Cat), Stock Airbox, Head Studs, EGR Cooler Delete
ECM strategy VXBC6N4
FICM strategy ARZ2AL10 (which includes mild Inductive Heating.)


(This example is with a stock ECM strategy.)

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We're talking about 111 HP and 301 Ft./Lbs. (peak to peak, with 135 HP and 307 Ft./Lbs. max gain) of certifiable crazy! Plus, this tune still runs the "mild" Inductive Heating Strategy so you won't have any cold start issues. Keep in mind that this is on a BONE STOCK ECM strategy. For improved high RPM performance, you can combine this with a modified ECM/TCM strategy. Take a look at this plot:

(This example is with a modified ECM strategy.)

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As you can see, we've pretty much maxed out the capabilities of the injectors, so we needed a little extra "juice". Since we're already crazy (and we just happened to have it), we also ran a few runs with our Snow Performance Water Meth kit. We used their 49% methanol "Boost Juice" and are running the 175ml economy and 625ml power nozzles. Here's how it sized up:

(This example is with a modified ECM strategy and Water/Meth.)

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Yes folks, that's 482 HP @ 3075 RPM and a whopping 1035 Ft./Lbs. @ 2250 RPM. On a 280,000 mile engine!!! Have we got chrome-moly cajones, or what? :doh:

Up next: Dieselsite 6.0L Adrenaline HPOP, 190cc Full Force Injectors, Diamond Eye 4" Exhaust (with single center stack), and modified airbox (as yet to be determined). Time to go break some sh....tuffff! :choochoo:

Note: All our test runs are made on our Mustang Dyno with Eddy Current Load Cell. Loaded dynos provide the most accurate RWHP numbers for both stock and modified power runs.

I asked Bill to post this here for you guys to see.

A couple more points I want to add...

his base stock numbers seem higher than normal, but that doesn't really matter. What matters is the improvement number, not overall numbers. The improvement is large, no matter where it started.

Also keep in mind, this is just another method of gaining power, instead of tuning through the ECM, however those of you who already are tuned via an SCT or the likes, you're not going to get these huge gains ON TOP of what you already have, but you will notice SOME gain. The stock sticks really are the limiting factor here, and I look forward to seeing more of Bill's testing once he upgrades to those 190's!

Bill, what % nozzles are you going with on your 190's?

Also, how does this type of tuning with these gains compare to just a custom tuned SCT, where the SCT takes care of transmission tuning as well? I've been wondering this all day... :pca1:

Thanks for sharing! (now that you know you're a sponsor here! :w2:)

Wow thats impressive. How much does it cast to get that done?

subscribed! I would like to know more about the gains with a programmer also if there would be any.

Okay, so we got a little more dyno testing done tonight with a variety of combinations. We've also lined up 2 new FICM strategies to complement the "Hercules" version... The Atlas 40 and Atlas 80. These are going to be more designed for everyday street use, with the Hercules being more for all-out performance.

You are going to see some slight differences in the power levels on these runs as our dyno environment was about 35-40 degrees hotter than it was when we made our original runs. It was nighttime and we had to close the big door in order to not totally piss off the neighborhood behind the shop. :bat: However, the gains are still pretty consistent with what we had achieved on our earlier runs. I've only put together two graphs as it's 3:00 in the morning and I'd like to get some sleep. These graphs are "Stock Tune with All FICM levels" and "100R Tune with All FICM levels". I can put together other combinations, if anyone is interested. I did NOT dyno the lower programs in conjunction with the FICM tunes, but might be able to at a later time just to have a reference point. So without further ado, here are tonight's plots.

(This example is with a stock ECM strategy.)

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(This example is with a stock 100 Race strategy.)

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One thing we did do today was run the Hercules FICM tune with a stock ECM/TCM strategy on the the street. As expected, the 3-5 shift would initially have a slight flare at moderate to heavy throttle, but after about 15 minutes the TCM adapted and everything settled in and shifted quite well. When running the Atlas 40 and Atlas 80 tunes, the flare was considerably less noticeable (pretty much non-existent on the Atlas 40 tune) and took less time for the TCM to relearn. Of course, running a modified shifting strategy is the ideal situation for running ANY tunes over about 375 RWHP, but I was really impressed at how quickly the TCM adapted to the higher power FICM levels.

Anyway, I hope this information is helpful. I'm too tired right now to post peak numbers and gains, but will try to get some up tomorrow.

Enjoy! :tu:

Good info bill. Could you maybe post some pricing up for the FICM tuning? I've been looking at getting mine done recently. I may even send you a stock 48V unit to tune and a 58V unit to tune. Do you see any benefit to having a 58V tuned?:c:

From the other dyno runs a 58V doesn't add enough to the mix.

A 58V by itself has shown 40rwhp on the dyno (custom tuned SCT truck, then added the 58V on top of the tuning)... the quicker acting electronics actually increase timing a touch. I'm just not sure doing both, the 58V and the tuning, would net much over doing each individually.

im hoping to get both done soon 58v and tuning. i would like to know some pricing on this if possible.

PHP doesn't offer 58V upgrades, as far as I know. Swamps is one of the only one's doing that. Quicktrick may do the 58V but I'm not sure if they do it in house or farm it out. For tuning, there is PHP, Innovative, Quicktrick, and KEM, as far as I know. I know Swamps shows they do tuning on their website, and Innovative offers 58V, but they're using each other for those services. So if you order a 58V tuned FICM from Swamps, Swamps is doing the 58V upgrade, and Innovative is doing the tuning, and vice versa.

I wonder how much difference there is between php and innovative on the tuning...

As far as power... not sure. I do know there is a price difference between all of them. I believe Bill from PHP offers the least expensive FICM tuning options! :c:

All our FICM tunes, regardless of power level, are $150.00.

also, php has great costomer service:tu:

looks like php for my tuning then. thanks

bump for PHP, great people and service:c:

Just in case anyone missed the changes, we added the Econ program into the comparison graphs and updated the images.

Enjoy!

Bill what would recommend for a DD? I will be doing it all this year hopefully, drag racing, dyno events, towing my camper, and driving to work every day, which program do you recommend? I've already got tunes via my SCT from a few different people. I would like to try one of your FICM tunes.

Also would it be better to do this on a 7 pin or 4 pin, or does it not matter? I have both. Have you tried your tuning on a 58V unit?

im about to install mine today:choochoo:

Did you get it installed? How it feel by the "butt dyno"?

i can tell quite a difference, it hauls more ass!!:rocking: il hand calculate my next tank to test MPG gains:jump:

Are you running the tunes from a flashpaq?

i got a mild flashpaq(superchips) waitin on SCT and the atlas 80 ficm tune from PHP

Ok, gotcha.


Bill, will any of these be alright for towing when running a aggressive tow tune and about 10k trailer, or would you recommend one FICM tune over another?

If your able to max out the injectors, wouldn't EGT be a issue when pulling a long grade with said weight.

For heavier pulling, I'd stick to the Econ or Atlas 40. While the FICM and ECM tuning have the capability to max the injectors out, it all depends on how aggressive BOTH units are and also how aggressively you drive the vehicle. For normal day to day driving, EGTs shouldn't be a concern, even with the bigger FICM tunes. Of course, heavy towing is always a situation where EGTs need to be a bigger concern, and with that in mind we've always done lower power levels in order to provide a greater safety margin.

I hope this helps.

Thanks Bill! I was just over on the nation and read up on your replies!

i LOVE my 80 Atlas

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this thing is so cool!!!!!!

nice work Bill:c:

Right on! :tu: :yeah:

i can tell my MPG's are gana go down, but not from incorrect tuning... i blame my foot:w2:

Next you'll be telling me that the new tuning is causing some accelerated tire wear! :w2:

and higher insurance rates:ouch:

Since we are on FICMs, could Power Hungry briefly describe what is gained by a roll back. I know what it is, but I don't know if my truck even had the stock tune by the time I got it (it was 3 yrs old then). Threfore I can't tell you what was lost by a dealership reflash. I have a VXAP2XX stategy and would like to know what I could expect from a roll back. I wish I would have read about roll backs before I bought two sets of tunes for my SCT. :dang:

Rollbacks are designed to put your PCM back to an earlier strategy which doesn't use the Inferred EBP calculations. In nearly every application, this dramatically improves throttle response and low-mid RPM drivability, along with some improvements in fuel economy. Being that you are VXAP2xx, you are running the later Inferred EBP strategy. Reflashing to an earlier VXAM7xx strategy will offer a considerable improvement.

Questions!!

Over on the nation, you replied to smokersteve on post#46, you had posted that we can buy a programmer to swap in/out FICM tunes just like ECM tunes. This programmer you speak of is it the Gryphon (non-CS/CTS) $399? Or the Gryphon CS/CTS.


I like the idea of being able to load the Atlas 40 when towing, then reprogram the FICM to the Atlas 80 for DD/play time.

I'm sure I'll have more questions later.
Rich

It is a Non-CS/CTS device, and it is $399.00 including all 4 levels.

Can an existing Edge be sent in for Gryphon programming? I have an Edge Juice Platinum pre-CS/CTS unit thats not doing anything.

Unfortunately, the non-CS/CTS Juice cannot be upgraded. :nope: :td: :dang:

Thank you sir!! I know where I'm spending my bonus check!!

If it's sent to Edge directly, than can upgrade it to a CS/CTS from what I understand, at which point you probably could tune it...

My buddy had an older model he sent in and I think Edge upgraded it for like $150 for him.

I don't know if Edge still offers the upgrades any longer. I know they did when it was first released, but that was over 2 years ago. Couldn't hurt to ask, though. :tu: