need some help guys
 

ok so as some of you know i got some probs with my truck dealer claimes HPOP, IPR, ICP, ICP pig tail, batteries and oil change for $2781...

i dont have the money to throw at this truck like i thought. im not convinced the hpop is bad. i have no leaks, oil level in cab doesnt fluctuate and i just dont want to believe its that because its the most expencive part

so i have 2 questions
1. if it is my hpop will the hpop upgrade kit be enough to fix it
2. can some one show me a pic or some what detailed instructions on where the icp is so i can unplug it and see if driving symptoms change i know its under the turbo in the back but i cant seem to find it there is just too much in the way does the turbo need to be removed just to see it or am i over looking it (03 6.0L)

symptoms: truck will start with in 3 sec or less first time. once the truck gets warm and i turn it off it wont start until it cools down a bit. when im on the freeway and i lay on the throttle it goes no where. it drives as if im towing a boat up a hill. i think i may have seen smoke today but when i see smoke i assume head gasket so i kept my eyes off the rear view mirror haha because if it were the head gasket id rather not know not now at least its been a rough month haha

the only code i pulled was for the ICP

3 more questions
what are the symptoms of a failing ICP
what are the symptoms of a failing HPOP
while im in the valley is there a way to clean the IPR and what are its symptoms its failure

thanks guys i know im asking a ton its just i have a week to fix the truck then i have to go back to work and im pressed on $700 or so. im just trying to replace the parts that are absolutely failed not the ones that are going out or close to it. i just dont have the money to spend currently but i need to get the truck running at least till feb

ok, check for smoke! it can help diagnose problems.
also if you can get your hands on a scanner you can check if the icp, ipr, ect. are working properly. and if they say your batteries are bad have them load tested.

dealerships DONT KNOW everything:scare2:

first of all what area are you in, might be someone nearby to help you.
the icp sensor is accessable from underneath, I couldn't do it with my big hands but my boy was able to. there is a heat shield between the drivers side up pipe and motor, that will need to be removed, then there is a foil heat wrap that is wraped around the ICP itself, it has snaps on it, take that off then there is a small metal clip on the connector that just flips up if I remember right. I had to make a socket to fit it, used a socket then I welded a 3/8 into the end of it so just the head sits on the outside of the socket, I welded it from the inside of the socket, I had to do that because with the socket on the sensor I had no room for the socket wrench to fit on it, if you have a shorter-deep socket of that size it will work

I'm in orange county ca. i just got back from changing the oil at a buddies house and yes it is smoking out of the exhaust but only when I accelerate from a stop and I have to floor it to get it up the hill to my parents house. I tried finding the icp and I couldn't see it there is just too much in the way

since we moved threads here...remind me...have you checked the FICM? Do you have access to a scanner?

$2700 seems like an awful lot to me... however it wouldn't be really out of the ordinary if you did have to replace these parts...

well guys it finally bit the dust... drove it to get some things pulled into a gas station got fuel and it wouldnt start. well being as ive ran into this issue before and normally it would start after it cooled down a little so i sat around for a bit 30 min later tried starting and nothing.. waited another 30 and still nothing my impatitence got the best of me and i ended up trying ever 5 min after the initial hour of waiting now batteries are dead and it had to be towed home. so i guess the only thing i can do is throw money at the thing and hope it works tomorrow im gonna get the hpop and 2 batteries along with the icp and a nice cold one to help me forget how much i just spent haha wish me luck guys

btw i have yet to find a good write up on how to replace any of it like what i should take off to get to these parts and such hell i still cant locate the icp but if any one has some info to share on how to do this id greatly appreciate it or if any one wants to give me their phone number in case i run into a prob that i just cant figure out that would be super cool too

thanks guys i appreciate the help

I know when my HPOP went it did the same thing - just crank and crank.

Lately I had the CEL come on and stay on for a period and then would go out for a while. It was hard starting when cold and I would crank the heck out of it. Had the batteries checked and I had a bad battery. Once I replaced the battery the CEL has not come back on. It still won't start on cold mornings unless plugged in so I am pretty sure it is the glowplug system - Being a "newbie" I'm still trying to figure that all out.

Good luck!!

Brondon-If you are comfortable around a motor there are a couple of ways you can go about it. There is a video on youtube showing how to get to it removing only the degas bottle, turbo and alternator. There are a few threads on other sites none that are pictured walk throughs but they tell you the more conventional way to go about it and that is removing everything on top of the motor including the intake manifold.

bkmac-have you checked your FICM? Instructions in sticky top of section. If the fuel isnt properly atomizing due to a failing FICM it will exhibit a cold start issue.

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Link to ford master tech doing the R&R

Yes I did and it tested perfect. The truck is pushing 158,000+ and it has original glowplugs and injectors and it was the original batteries. The truck spent a lot of time in Montana in the winters so they all got a good work out :)

wow that video was awesome! thank you that really helps thank you

just keep in mind that the video is good for showing you how to get to the pump but keep in mind your pump doesn't look anything like that and it has a cast iron cover that covers the whole thing, also the sensor he removed was the IPR valve and on yours it will also have the ICP sensor just behind and just below the one they took out, also note that yours does not the sct fitting that they changed.

well here i go guys got 2 batteries icp hpop and hpop update kit. its 8:02pm and im just starting reason being is im typically up till 7am cause i get off work at 5am so right now is like my mid day wish me luck guys thanks for the help be prepared for me to run into some sort of problem that will need to be answered thanks again ill let you know how it goes

keep us updated:c:

The hpop that guy pulled in the video and the hpop pictured for sale on line don't exactly look the same, does that stuff that is exposed when in the rig need to be changed out? Considering I just had mine apart for an EGR cooler removal, this looks pretty straight forward. The hpops I found weren't exactly cheap, but I could do this. Also, does the hpop update kit apply to the 03 as well?
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See mines an 06 so i was looking for what looked similar to mine. My bad on the whole 03 thing. I am not entirely sure on the similarities or differences between year models. I do know that mine looks very similar to what was in the video and at the absolute least it gives and idea of the items that need to be removed in order to get to the HPOP the easy way. i apologize for what was not an entirely complete response to the previous request.

The HPOP that guy pulled in the video is for the 05-07 engines the 03-04 are different and even the later 04 has the ICP on the pass valve cover but the early ones are on the pump itself, I will try to get a pic of the early pump

Well didn't make it far guys... 4 hours of work and only got the intake apart before I stripped out a bolt behind the turbo... On top of that I successfuly dropped all 6 of my 10mm sockets under the turbo.... So tomorrow I gotta get a bolt extractor being as my set is standard. Im not looking forward to this I haven't even got the turbo off and I'm already running into problems. :argh:

Patience man, sh*t breaks itll just take time.I know it sucks I've been there and I bet alot of these guys have been to. Good luck


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I agree, it will definitely require patience. Take your time, take deep breaths, drink some beers. Have something near by to throw wrenches at.

No apology needed, I am surprised that I was right that once the turbo is off the hpop was right there. I don't need one, so I thought I would ask, it was a helpful post.

On the 03's I'd imagine you are required to remove the intake manifold, since it has that cross over member in the back connecting the manifold. The newer manifolds don't have that, so you might be able to get away doing it with the manifold still on, but don't quote me on that.

I always found it best to work on things with a buddy they can spot things u may not see or miss, or have more experience in the area and always helps to have an extra set of hands when needed, I remember putting brakes on my f150 it was a pain luckily my buddy was there to help ms beat off the rotor cause it was seized on or I woulda gave up and broke something.


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wait so the intake manifold does have to be removed on the 03?

sorry brandon, i let a moderator know and they'll deal with that ass

Thanks Guys

Looks like I missed all the fun, what happened? haha

Brondondolon - I would plan on it yes, it's really not that much more work. Just have to take the alternator off the front, and the intake manifold just unbolts. The gaskets are supposed to be reusable, but depending on mileage and if they've ever been touched, I would probably plan on getting a set anyways, they're not too much $.

The difference between the 03 intake manifold and the newer ones is the 03 has a piece in the back behind the turbo that connects each side, like a big oval. The later one's are just a U shape, and don't have that connection piece in the back.

Small pic, but you can see what I'm talking about here:

http://image.off-roadweb.com/f/tech/...e_manifold.jpg

The one on the left is the 03 intake manifold, and you can also see the round style 03 egr cooler, compared to a newer intake manifold with a newer square cooler.

Some damn prius owner was trying to start shit, i didnt even waste my breath on their tree-huggin ass. just let a mod deal with them

Aww shucks, prius owners are my favorite. I love the look on the face of a prius owner when I can tell them my 400+rwhp 8klb truck gets over 100mpg of diesel and leaves less of a carbon footprint than their hybrid. :w2:

Hahaha, i was wondering when you would show up. He liked the word homo a little to much, he used it 10 times in a sentence:humm:

Damn I go pick out a wedding cake for an hour and miss all the fun.


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It didn't look to be too much more work, I seriously considered taking mine off for the EGR cooler delete. I know it sounds pretty hillbilly, but would it hurt anything to cut that out?

Homophobes are one of my favorite groups to bash on, too bad I missed out.:bat:

I wasn't fetching a wedding cake, but I was JUST here and missed it, too. :dang:

Well round two is about to begin. Just got my nut extractor for the stripped turbo bolt however I can't find the 3rd bolt am I missing something or is there only 2 bolts?

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well i dont believe this guys... so i broke the back screw loose and felt a sense of victory for over coming this nut from hell... but it prevailed as the victor... at first it was coming out then it started getting pretty hard to remove and eventually stripped out my nut extractor... i dont know what im gonna do at this point i have to go back to the hardware store and get a new bolt extractor this screw can go back to hell for all i care :argh:

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well used 3 different style nut extractors to no avail now the nut is completely round... i dont know what im gonna do now because i gotta drill it out fml...:argh:

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i wonder if i JB weld a socket onto the screw if it will have enough strength to pull it out:humm:

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HA HAAAAAA!!!!! well boys.... ;) i got it off. boo ya!!! how i did it: i took a craftsman screw extractor size 17mm and instead of trying to torque it off by the head i torqued it off by the washer that is attached to it and it came riiiiight out pretty clever idea but unfortunately i cant take the credit i found a video that suggested i did that ill link it and ill also link some pics of the screw in a bit. for now im back to the truck its 12:22 am and im gonna burn some midnight oil but ill prob be back in about 30 min with a problem trying to get the back screw off haha wish me luck :choochoo:
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well like i said... 30 min later and im back here... im not using air tools because i dont have them so go figure the only way the up pipe clamp can be removed is with a pneumatic ratchet... fml:argh:

Man you having a hell of a time.just keep at it man you'll get it.if I knew where u lived and were close I'm be there to help


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tell me about it... watch though with my luck ill get it all put back together and ill still have the same problem because im not replacing the ipr how ever i am gonna clean it and i got the filter for it.

i also got the hpop update kit. i have a 2003 does it apply to mine or did i waste $73? part number 4C3Z-9B246-F

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actually while im at it is there anything else im gonna need? i want this truck done tomorrow so i dont want to run into a prob at like 9pm and find out i need another part

so far i have
HPOP
ICP
red lock tight
black gasket sealant
HPOP update kit 4C3Z-9B246-F

as im looking at my pump and the upgrade kit i think i F***ED up the only thing i think i could possibly utilitize in the kit is the ipr filter and o rings... but at 73 dollars i dont think its worth it to keep it

is there a gasket for the turbo that im gonna need to replace or a gasket on the hpop cover? any other gaskets or things i need to get or do while im replacing the hpop and icp?

dude... i cant thank you all enough. this has been the worst job ive ever done on any car/truck. so i thank you all for the insight help and support thank you

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wow... please dont tell me i am gonna need to check the back lash on the gear... and that im gonna need a special tool to get the hose off the pump... please... i just read a thing that said i did here is the link were is the high pressure oil pump on a 2003 ford f250 ... - JustAnswer

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well like i said... 30 min later and im back here... im not using air tools because i dont have them so go figure the only way the up pipe clamp can be removed is with a pneumatic ratchet... fml:argh:[/QUOTE]

Maybe something like this would work:


Mine had been R&R'd by the dealer in 08, so it was easy to get to my band clamps.

workin on trucks is frustrating:se:

but we will be here to help, just stick with it:c:

It's like a woman a times, temperamental and a pain in the ass some. You have to sweet talk her


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Holy crap... keep at it man, you'll get it. You shouldn't need any air tools for this job, though they would probably speed things up.

I was wondering about the HPOP upgrade for the 03?? thought the only thing was for the flexline coupler, the sct fitting is for the 05 pumps only I thought as they changed it for 06and 07

I think the HPOP design for the 03's is different but I don't believe there is a "kit" to buy for it, I thought the only upgraded kit was for the STC fitting!?