diesel smog laws
 

I've been reading where california has adopted a smog law for the light duty diesel? from what I can tell it's a money maker for the state. I don't know how they will inspect or what they will look for.. I E. computer up grades, hardware upgrades, emissions removal?? are there any other states currently doing this to the light duty diesel? if they do a sniffer test it might be easier to fool then a computer check. I'm currently in the process of an EGR delete on my 04 6.0 so that my truck will be reliable once again...(not that it ever was) I think the starting years will start at '98 and up with trucks in the 7000 to 15000 gvw.? I don't know for sure but it seems pretty spooky. has any body been watching this or does any body have a better clue as to whats going on and how it may affect us. even bio diesel I've read wont pass the test...it's the old politician shuffle with a twist, one step forward three steps back do a quick doo-see-doo and empty your wallet out. our bro in office said that there would change.... boy was he right. this looks like a good fight, any trust worthy attorneys out there ???

It should be a no-brainer that light duty diesels would get a smog in Ca. It is the most polluted state in America, thus deflating your "politian shuffle" theory. Arizona has been smogging diesels since before I left there in 2006. As of 2006 when I bought my Super Duty, it required smog in Reno and Las Vegas. So this isn't all together be the fault of "our bro in office". In fact, diesel smog requirements were in effect LONG before he was elected.

Now then, all snide jabs aside, most newer vehicles are smogged using the OBD port (that's how it was done when I left AZ in 2006 on my '04 GT). Anyway, if you do the EGR delete, you will need something to tell the computer that it is there. I say this because a cat removal required the use of a MIL eliminator in place of the aft O2 and was promised to pass smog by AMP Performance in Phoenix. Also, said programmer should not leave a "foot print" that the ECM has been altered. My Superchips needed to be reset to OEM before going to the smog station.

Yes I am comparing a Mustang to a Power Stroke, but they are both OBD II compliant, so it makes sense. However, I will pass on your concerns to a member that owns a hopped up diesel and lives in the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

if you can grab the new issue of diesel world (maybe diesel power) and they have an article about what it means and how to help ur truck pass

one thing that sounded good is taking ur 6.0 to a gm dealership to get inspected since they will have no clue where the egr is or what it looks like

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ya its in diesel power pg 98
basic summary of the article
"no one can tell if youre running aftermarket fuel injectors, pistons, rods, heads, or valvesprings. and if youve upgraded any or all of these things in an electronically controled diesel, aftermarket tuning can dial back the trucks power to pass a smoke opacity test."

recomendations to help pass

"buy stock appearing parts or parts advertised as replacements components. . . our advise: dont put that new, polished chrome compressor housing or powdercoated valve cover on. if anything, you want the engine bay to look as inconspicuious (and stock) as possible. . .remove your performance file from your trucks computer and return it to the stock calibration. if you have a dash-mounted monitor, wed remove that to. . . avoid vanity plates that say SMOKYA. . .take your truck down a gravel road to make a nice uniform coating of dust in the engine bay to act as camouflage. . .weve ((diesel power)) been told that factory-appearing exhausts will pass, regardless of diameter, as long as the catalytic converter is in place. . .larger diameter down pipes shouldnt be cause for concern because they cant be easily spotted. . .it would be safe to say that. . .hood stacks and exhaust stacks r out, as dpf deletes on '08 and later trucks. . .another loophole will be to take your ford to a gm shop. techs will have little idea where to look for an egr cooler or egr valve on a 6.0L power stroke. and on the other side of the coin, you could take your duramax to a ford dealership, where the might not even discover that the stock turbo has been replaced by say, a garrett GT4202 turbo. . .have your truck inspected on a windey day. . .if you live in an area that typically experiences windy conditions, youll be in luck during the smoke opacity portion of the test which is pass or fail (if smoke hovers for more than 4 seconds after a snap test you fail) and its completely at the technicians discretion."

thats the highlights...and they gave a list of states with new laws by county but im to lazy to type that to.

on a side not (()) means that i added that and its not in the article

I realize that "kaaleeforniaa" is late to this party, and that other states have had smog laws in affect long before "our bro in office arrived". but the way that this state operates one could only guess at how the test would be done. yes I've heard the stories of taking to a different brand dealership might help in that they "might" not know what to look for. same as my cars I try not to make it look so apparent that I've hot rodded my ride. I have a 4" turbo back pipe with the converter still in place, I'm leaving the EGR solenoid in place when I do my delete just to keep things looking right. I haven't added any performance programs to my truck. all in all I think it would pass. I take it the snap test reads particulates left in the air near the exhaust pipe opening after a loaded run on the dyno, the windy day thing sounds good ? the only problem that I see is the levels of NOX at partial throttle if they put the truck on the rollers and load it up it might fail? ( if they put it on the rollers) here in the the land of fruits and nuts depending on which part of the county you live in or which county you live in period, they can either do the sniff test or put you up on the machine. mostly the rural areas get the sniffer for the test? I guess only time will tell. and in this crazy state of ours I think it's all about the mighty $$$ any ways.

ya by no means do i know exactly what all of the stuff means i am just quoting what i have read because in tx (houston area) diesels rnt even sniffed...every place ive been to just looks at the basics (seatbelts horn light and all that)

yes sir we dont get the wand up our :moon:

thank god cause as it stands i dont think id make it...lol...

well my biggest concern is the tail sniffer, I don't plan on hot rodding this thing just some simple mods to help keep the reliability factor in place. I only tow about 6-10k worth of weight not enought to worry about hurting this thing, if I want to put on a tire smoke show I'll roll my hot rod out of the shop and do it.. But with the EGR removed my NOX will be possibly too high to pass at the part throttle part that the test make you do? I'd love to have 500 reliable ponys under the hood of my daily driver but then I know I'd fail... speaking of high HP how does the 5 speed torque shift handle it. I've heard that at those levels your asking for BIG problems like split torque converters, broken main drive hubs, cracked tail shaft housings ??? just wondering. ON the cummins 12 valve I had I know that I wasn't pushing that much power maybe 350 hp. at the most but I guess the torque was too much for that poor little tranny..as I kept burning up 4th gear same thing not that much weight about 6-10k and I would take it out of OD on any type of grade. still had problems. sold that good ol truck for my Found On Road Dead. seriouly I'm a died in the wool ford fan I've had some kind of ford in my garage since I started to drive... but this truck has me rethinking some things... maybe ford didn't have the light bulb on when they drew the 6.0 up with international.

you're a little behind on the times if you're just now realizing ford didn't have the light bulb on when the 6.0L came into play, actually i don't even think there was a light bulb, it went MIA from the conception of the engine

they where trying to use a match to make enough light to see when they drew up the 6.0...lol...ya...um...i think the 6.0 was made back in 1900 they blew the dust off it and threw and egr on...lol...

Check the Board of Automotive Repair they have a video of the procedure on California inspections. Stay away from the ARB site unless looking up Executive orders for performance parts. someone might have already stated this junk.

If you live in California, your vehicle has aftermarket products on it make sure you obtain the California Air Resources O.E. sticker otherwise that part has to come off. I went threw a major headache last month dealing with AFE Stage 2 Cold Air Intake system, until the State of California approved the part. The diesel smog check entails, visual inspection, plugging the OBD II sytem to the shop computer, and a snap test of running the engine at 2,000 rpm and snapping the rpms up to 3,000 rpms. Any black smoke your vehicle failed. The diesel smog check is required of all diesels from 1998 to present. It affects approximately 564,000 diesel trucks under 14,000 GVWR. It is bad enough that California increased the license plate fees, because of California's budget problems. Also the diesel smog check for 2010 involves last 4 even numbers of the VIN. Next year 2011 odd numbers.
Thanks for letting me add my two cents worth.
bens170

2006 Ford F350, XLT, SD, 4x4, CC, Dually, raised 6", ProComp Suspension & ladder bars, Fox Racing Shocks, AFE Stage 2 Cold Air Induction System, 37x13.50x17 ProComp Xtreme A/T Tires mounted on 4 MKW Model 26 chrome rims and 2 stock rims, 8' bed. All mods completed by previous owner.,

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To bobcat67,
The light bulb was used in the late 60's and early 70's, Ford's better idea. I used to say Ford's better was a burned out light bulb. While attending college in Phoenix, AZ, automobile mechanics, Ford produced a film that showed near the end about Ford's Quality Assurance Program, the huge banner stated, The customer is the final inspector. What ever happened to that concept. My guess if fell by the wayside like so many other things.
Thanks
bens170

I know things are getting bad here in the land of fruits and nuts,,,lol. my intake and exhaust both have carb #'s so I'm not sweating it on those, but I have seen brand new trucks puff out alittle black smoke when you snap the throttle. I'm going to do an egr delete after my first test... I don't feel confident in my truck with this ticking time bomb under the hood. my egr solenoid gave out AGAIN last month so I took it out sprayed it with some cleaner put it back in but did not plug it back in... my truck runs perfect and is getting unreal milage??? thanks for the heads up.

Just bought my 07 6.0 powerstroke in March. Had to have it smogged so I took it to Ron Dupratt Ford Dealership in Dixon ,CA. Now as far as I know its all a visual inspection. My EGE was bad, fouled, No power, And it passed. But since I have my truck registered in ym hometown. Which is a small rural town and the smog laws there are alot different then being in a city. I wont have to smog my truck again till I sell it. So IM going to get the sct tuner and a egr delete kit. Go straight pipe also. I do know this because og my last truck that I bought in AZ. Had to smog is every year inAZ.. moved back to Cali to Sacramento and it was every 2 years. This is a 92 gmc. Then moved back to my hoem town and never had to smog it again for about 8 years. Goes the same for the other cars I had.

Someone has edited:scare2: my post! hear are the links to the Board of automotive repair and the inspection video Diesel Vehicle Smog Check Inspections Information this will get you started on all diesel related emission.
Hear is the video link to the diesel smog procedures Diesel Vehicle Smog Check Inspections Information
Here is something you don't see a Smog check procedure manual http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARR...08-09%20V3.pdf
This will give you a heads up on out of state vehicles, and E.O (Executive order) Most are pending and some shops will allow the intake and exhaust system, provided that you still have a DPF, Catalytic converter, and or DEF. ETC.
Hope this helps thank you!
Rustin
Tired of seeing somewhat miss information. this is not a difficult or scary thing to go through. Just find a shop that knows Diesels and you can trust them!

yeah the smog test are different for gas auto's as well , if you live in a rural area vs a city area. I was hoping it would the same thing for the diesels as well. I live in a very rural area in so.cal so I'm crossing my fingers that it's a one time deal for the smog. I too have plans for my truck after my first test. nothing major just for reliability...but completely removing the EGR and cat, updating the oil cooler are just the start. I already have an intake and 4" turbo back exhaust installed, along with an upgraded fuel pressure bypass spring. the truck runs beautifuly. and is getting killer mileage....:):jump: here in so.cal they oxygenate the gas it's believed to help lower the nox levels in the smog, but I don't know about the diesel fuel. I know it sure does foam up alot when you fill up.

To Doin my own 6.0
I live in a rural community in Riverside County, we are not exempt from the CA Smog Law eventhough some parts of Riverside County are exempt. Good luck, just make sure any parts you install are California Air Resources Board approved otherwise the parts you installed will have to come off. You might want to keep the original parts just in case you have put the parts back on. I hope this helps.
bens170

I'm Riverside county too! we had a 91 jeep a few years ago and because of our address it only got the sniffer when it was time for the smog test, not the rollers, my buddies 88 jeep had to get smogged last month and failed it was on the rollers, he lives in the desert about 10 miles from us. so it's all based on location/population???? who knows it's california it's not suppossed to make sense. all of my stuff is has the cert #'s so i'm ok. what happens if your running veg oil in the truck ? how would that make the test results look, there would be no hydrocarbons, or sulfer, would california give you a passing grade, it would not matter if you had your smog equipment hooked up or not. the only offense you would be guilty of is making the people who are following you hungry. :pca1: just a thought.

To doin my own 6.0
I do not know thing about bio-diesel, you did bring up an interesting point about the diesel smog check on a diesel that uses french fried grease/salad oil. Thanks send me a PM, if you get a chance.
Bens170

Hey I'm in Riverside Co. also.....where do you guys live? I need more friends who know about these diesels and that can help me work on my own.:humm:

I bought my '07 350 last July and it did not have a cat when I bought it, straight pipe from the turbo to the tip. Is there anything I can buy to simulate a cat so that it will pass the visual inspection?

doin my own 6.0, I run a vegistroke on my truck right now (wvo burner). It smokes more at idle and taking off from a stop than diesel. You are right though, if it is put to a sniffer, it will come up with ZERO emissions.

I personally walked into a smog shop today and asked what they are looking for as far as diesels go in CA. It is a visual inspection only, EGR cooler and Catalytic Converter. That is it, they don't even have to work they just have to be there, Cat can be gutted, EGR can be blocked off, but the components have to be on the truck

Here is something I found on another sites forum. I just copied and pasted what was there.

CA 2010 Diesel Smog Law
I just wanted to send out an update to all Californian CTD owners on the latest this FINE state has to say about smogging our diesels. Any updates are welcome as it's hard to find some reliable information. The best information seems to come from the BAR site. This thread on the Cumminsforum has an excellent overview. 2010 Diesel Smog Inspection for 1998 and up/under 14,500 GVW Trucks - Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum

I wonder if this will promote aftermarket exhaust manufacturers to sell str8 piped "cats" that are made to look like cats but are perfectly gutted.

I've pasted it below:

Hear is the latest updates from the California BAR.

Hear is what they are testing for:

-Visual Inspection of Smog Components
-OBD II Check with scan tool, "three monitors must run to completion"
-Visual Smoke Check, "most likely at idle and 2500 RPM"
-Probably EVAP (Fuel Cap) Test

http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/80_BARRe...les/frame.html

Much of the confusion on GVW has come form the DMV's website, but the BAR website is more accurate as they provide the update training for the smog techs and distribute licences and so on. Slide 6 of the above BAR powerpoint presentation for the Smog techs says 14,500 and under GVW will be tested? The DMV website below is wrong in stating less than 8501 lbs:

Vehicle Registration for 2008

Colorado is said to be doing the same thing along with other Green states like NY and so on. Just look at the retrofitting for the Big Rigs! Every state that currently smogs gas cars will eventually smog Diesels. It looks like I need to move to Hawaii or Montana

dang.. link no longer works. :argh:Ill find it again and see if I can get more info regarding the diesel smog laws.

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Here is the link that works.

http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/

and


http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/80_BARRe...08-09%20V3.pdf

I added a 4" turbo-back exhaust to replace the 3-1/2" stock exhaust. I also replaced the gutted stock cat with a MagnaFlow cat.
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The MagnaFlow is 1/3 the cost of the stock cat (in oem condition). I understand folks' desire to un-restrict exhaust but my situation is that the truck carries a living space on the back (EarthRoamer XV-LT) so emissions are genuinely a consideration although I don't have to meet strict emissions controls in my state. I didn't discover the gutted cat until the installation of the new exhaust. I had to cut the forward clamp off the stock cat to fit the downpipe extension properly (as the installation instructions indicated) for a proper fit.
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I did ultimately buy the MagnaFlow cat and modified it as with the stock cat to fit the new exhaust.

...so if you need a gutted stock cat but don't need the stock clamp connection on the forward end let me know...well I have the clamp from the MagnaFlow too if you really need the whole thing but it would have to be welded together...

Jonathan

thats soooo cool, if thats whats truly going to happen only a visual inspection. I can gut the cat pretty easily, I've already gotten all of the items needed for the egr delete, maybe I'll just use what I need from the kit and modify my egr cooler and put it back on. I'm thinking of a stainless plug about 1/4" thick welded inside of the cooler to stop the exhaust from going there, update my oil cooler and clean my turbo while I have it all apart... the truck runs so perfect right now I don't want to touch it..:) but you know how it go's, we cant stop playing with things. hey mdub what is vegistroke? a vegi oil I'm assuming, does it need to be pre heated to use? and how is the cost per gallon? and does it produce as much power? thanks guys.

My guess is a Vegistroke is a Powerstroke runnin WVO :c:

I didn't have time to read all previous posts, so sorry if I am redundant:

I just had my truck smogged last month in GG. They did a visual inspection only; i failed. That weekend I did a full EGR delete. I had to go back and put the cat on, and passed. The truck has nothing stock, tuned, and all = ok. In 2 years we'll see what the 'dictatorship' says we need to do to pass. No tailpipe sniff this year, maybe a 'snap' test to visually inspect for black exhaust. Just detune the truck so it doesn't 'roll coal'. someone mentioned that they did have the OBDII hookup to check for a tuner. Do not have a tuner exposed or visible during the test.

Good to know.I was going to bypass my egr and gut my cat, the truck runs clean in normal driving, if I floor the throttle it smokes abit for a few seconds.. but snapping the throttle up to about 3k with the truck in park produces no smoke at all. the truck was running great.. I knew I should not have said anything about how my truck runs the other day.... because now I think that I have jinkst my self. it was running perfectly fine. until this morning. went to start it and all it did was shutter and try to run.... like not enough fuel???it ran perfect last night when I shut it down? what a POS. I hate electronics on cars.:argh: well we'll see what happens this weekend?

I wouldn't gut the cat, imo. They are really expensive. And if someone knocks on them, they can tell that they are gutted. Who knows what the future has for us. I wanted to have a custom fake cat (look-alike) built, and then stamp it with the proper numbers, but no one has the equipment that I know to do such a job. So, I just had my 4" exhaust cut with a piece for swapping it in and out quickly.

After installing the sinister egr delete (i'm keeping my bulletproof egr cooler and up-pipe, i may need 'em some day), the truck was having issues at idle of low rpms. I also removed the throttle plate when I installed the banks intake/intercooler. SO I had eric at innovative diesel update my SCT X3 tunes with those parts deleted, and the truck runs much better.

Electronics can actually be your friend, if you can manipulate them to do what you want.

Has anyone passed the smog test with a straight pipe my truck doesn't have a Cat and I am trying to figure out if I can straight pipe my F-250 and still pass smog. Thanks.

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I am wondering if I straight pipe my 2001 F-250 7.3 will it pass smog, it doesn't have a cat so i'm wondering if i'll fail not having the muffler. Thanks.

If you have a 7.3L, they never came with a cat; you don't need it for Smog. You don't need a muffler for any truck, as far as I know.

If you have a 6.0L, YOU NEED A CAT, unless they "happen" to miss it in the inspection. I had a "good" smog shop perform my first check 2 years ago, and I had to come back after installing my cat.

Thank you :c:

Stab motorsports has a smog legal and lifetime warranty egr to fix all egr valve problems. Carbon proof