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Benzer1 04-09-2010 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by FTE (Post 534050)
Maybe you haven't noticed but the steering looks nothing like a factory cherokee now! I fixed the "bump steer" with the tie rod set up being more like a full sized 4x4, ie the right side and left side are now conected with one solid tie rod, unlike the scissor effect of the stock set-up.Yes the track bar mounts are not on the same plane but you would have to hit some HUGE bumps to get any squirlly steering. The factory setup sucked because the toe was constantly changing(bump steer) when the suspension traveled normally, now the toe stays set reguardless of the suspension travel. I have used this setup before with no issues, durring normal driving the axle side to side movement is minimal and not even detectable from the drivers seat.

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Thanks John. Yea the box worked out real nice, plus it gives me more room for the radiator. Did you use a 4.0 rad? I am using the benz one but it gives me the option of using an aftermarket crossflow aluminum(I have one for my mustang and it will fit perfect now). Although I can't use the stock benz p/s pump because the bracket hits the p/s box, I could have cut off some of the lower portion of it (the ac mounting points) but it just took up way too much room, so I am using a p/s pump with a remote resevoir mounted low and my a/c pump will mount above. Working on all those mounts now. Are you thinking about hooking your a/c up? How are you progressing?

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BTW Cheeper Jeeper, as I recall you told me the f150 box would'nt work either, but as you can see it turned out as I had planed. If you have any doubt about my fabrication skills, I suggest you take a look at my thread "Rolling Vengence" in the Ag and Lawn equiptment section. I may not know as much as you, but I tend to hold my criticism untill I have all the facts. Then again I could be wrong about this too! Just sayin.

I used the 4.0 radiator. I cut out the radiator support to make room for it. I mounted the stock Benz electric fan behind the radiator and removed the clutch fan from the engine. I was thinking of hooking the AC up, but was going to try and mount the AC compressor above the power steering pump (where the cruise control pod used to be) I'm not sure if there is room or not. I got the trans/transfer case back in. Started staring at the shift linkages. I may take the floor shifter and linkages out of a Blazer to make it easier. Tonight i'm going to run the cooling lines for the trans and play with the shift linkage for the transfer case. Looks like you're getting close!!!! Keep up the good work.

John

CheaperJeeper 04-10-2010 12:07 AM


Originally Posted by FTE (Post 534050)
Maybe you haven't noticed but the steering looks nothing like a factory cherokee now! I fixed the "bump steer" with the tie rod set up being more like a full sized 4x4, ie the right side and left side are now conected with one solid tie rod, unlike the scissor effect of the stock set-up.Yes the track bar mounts are not on the same plane but you would have to hit some HUGE bumps to get any squirlly steering. The factory setup sucked because the toe was constantly changing(bump steer) when the suspension traveled normally, now the toe stays set reguardless of the suspension travel. I have used this setup before with no issues, durring normal driving the axle side to side movement is minimal and not even detectable from the drivers seat.

No, I didn't notice that you had replaced the original "inverted Y" steering setup with an "inverted T" setup. The picture is dark enough that I didn't see it until you pointed it out and I was actually looking for it. And you are 100% correct, that type of setup doesn't have the bump steer issue of the setup that comes stock on a Cherokee.


Originally Posted by FTE (Post 534050)
BTW Cheeper Jeeper, as I recall you told me the f150 box would'nt work either, but as you can see it turned out as I had planed. If you have any doubt about my fabrication skills, I suggest you take a look at my thread "Rolling Vengence" in the Ag and Lawn equiptment section. I may not know as much as you, but I tend to hold my criticism untill I have all the facts. Then again I could be wrong about this too! Just sayin.

Actually, what I said was that if you bolted the Ford box through the frame rail, putting its 3 mounting bolts where the stock steering box bolts were (more or less), it wouldn't lower the pitman arm enough to provide the clearance you needed. And you proved that to be correct by mounting it with 2 of the 3 bolts a couple of inches belowthe frame rail - in order to lower the pitman arm enough to clear the oil pan.

Dude, re-read my posts. I have done nothing but compliment your fab skills, and try to make helpful suggestions on anything I see that might be a potential problem (just in case you might have overlooked something). If those kinds of suggestions and comments (as opposed to criticisms) aren't welcome, then fine, I'll just keep my comments to myself!

FTE 04-10-2010 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by Benzer1 (Post 534326)
I used the 4.0 radiator. I cut out the radiator support to make room for it. I mounted the stock Benz electric fan behind the radiator and removed the clutch fan from the engine. I was thinking of hooking the AC up, but was going to try and mount the AC compressor above the power steering pump (where the cruise control pod used to be) I'm not sure if there is room or not. I got the trans/transfer case back in. Started staring at the shift linkages. I may take the floor shifter and linkages out of a Blazer to make it easier. Tonight i'm going to run the cooling lines for the trans and play with the shift linkage for the transfer case. Looks like you're getting close!!!! Keep up the good work.

John

I have the t-case shifter and linkage from the s10, it bolts on top of the trans tail housing.I'm not sure but I think it is right where the e-brake ass is. It might be possible to use a combo of the two. How did your drivelines work out? I am looking at putting the a/c compressor in the same location, but I removed all the factory brackets so I'll have more room. Looking foreward to you getting yours on the road!

Benzer1 04-11-2010 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by FTE (Post 534949)
I have the t-case shifter and linkage from the s10, it bolts on top of the trans tail housing.I'm not sure but I think it is right where the e-brake ass is. It might be possible to use a combo of the two. How did your drivelines work out? I am looking at putting the a/c compressor in the same location, but I removed all the factory brackets so I'll have more room. Looking foreward to you getting yours on the road!

Now that the trans and case are where they are going to be, I need to measure the front and rear driveshaft length. Then I can go to LKQ and measure a S10 front and rear shaft. Hopefully they will work!!!! I am anxious to get it back on the road, I enjoyed it for the short time I had it going!!!!


John

FTE 04-19-2010 12:17 AM

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Well I finally got all the brackets&mounts for the p/s pump and a/c. I also lowered the front crossmember to make room for a larger rad. I still have to relocate the oil cooler, plus still trying to decied between the benz rad or an aftermarket alum. crossflow. Spending WAY to much time on all the little crap!

Benzer1 04-19-2010 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by FTE (Post 540603)
Well I finally got all the brackets&mounts for the p/s pump and a/c. I also lowered the front crossmember to make room for a larger rad. I still have to relocate the oil cooler, plus still trying to decied between the benz rad or an aftermarket alum. crossflow. Spending WAY to much time on all the little crap!



Looking good!!!!

CheaperJeeper 04-19-2010 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by FTE (Post 540603)
Well I finally got all the brackets&mounts for the p/s pump and a/c. I also lowered the front crossmember to make room for a larger rad. I still have to relocate the oil cooler, plus still trying to decied between the benz rad or an aftermarket alum. crossflow. Spending WAY to much time on all the little crap!

WOW! So you're going to have AC and everything! The 84 I'm doing my swap with didn't come with it, and even though the 4.3L motor did, I'm not ambitious enough to try to get working AC out of the deal too...

Nice work.

FTE 04-19-2010 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by CheaperJeeper (Post 541361)
WOW! So you're going to have AC and everything! The 84 I'm doing my swap with didn't come with it, and even though the 4.3L motor did, I'm not ambitious enough to try to get working AC out of the deal too...

Nice work.

Thanks! I figured I might as well go ahead and fab up the a/c mounts now while the front end is off, but it won't be until later when it gets hoses, condenser, ect. I needed to fab the mounting bracket anyway for the fuel filter and dipstick tube bracket. All that was part of the stock p/s mount. I got the oil cooler mounted (inside the bumper, will cut out for airflow) and extended the flex hose with new 5 BUCKS A FOOT!!! O well it looks factory. I'll get pics up when done.

CheaperJeeper 04-19-2010 11:07 PM

Hey FTE, I just noticed for the first time that you're in Vancouver WA! My best buddy lives in BattleGround, and one of the first short road trips I'll be taking in my 4.3 Cherokee will probably be to his house. We'll have to get our two projects together and compare...

FTE 04-19-2010 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by CheaperJeeper (Post 541493)
Hey FTE, I just noticed for the first time that you're in Vancouver WA! My best buddy lives in BattleGround, and one of the first short road trips I'll be taking in my 4.3 Cherokee will probably be to his house. We'll have to get our two projects together and compare...

That would be cool! I hope to get it done before too long, how are you coming along?


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