Handgun Concealed Carry, External Saftey or No External Saftey?
 

I see peoples point with this but I personally dont care if a gun has a saftey or not... I CC three or four days a week with one in the chamber and saftey off on my Taurus and I used to carry a Glock. A revolver has no saftey... All in what your comfortable with.

As for teh High Points Jason has one in .45 and says it would be better suted as a club then a gun.... I've no perdonally shot it though but he HATES it. I used to have a Bersa Mini Firestorm in .40cal and I loved it, tad heavy but a great gun for the price.

as will any revolver out there, besides... whats your loaded gun doing in protected around a kid? A saftey is no replacment for general gun saftey and common sence. I expect that kinda thinking from some others around here but I think you have more common sence then that.

Yes a revolver has N O safety, BUT if the hammer is down it takes 12 to 15 pounds of pull to make it fired:humm: BUT a loaded GLOCK only takes{depending if it has the 3.5 or 5 pound trigger):scare2: Would you carry a revolver with the hammer cocked(only 3 pound trigger pull):scare2:

I've carrried a Glock (along with many police, gov aginsies and other people) for along time. Give me one instance were a glock trigger can be pulled with out a finger on it...

The bottom line is like everything else its what you want, the taurus I carry now and the Bersa I used to own both have external safties, but I never use them so its no big deal to me for a Glock to not have an external saftey, the other three safties it has are sufficent to ease my mind. My gun stays in the holster (wear the trigger is gaurded) and if it comes out it will be to shoot something and I dont want to be in teh ER or teh morge becasue I took to long to get teh saftey off or forgot it all together.

Steph on the other hand has a Walther PK380 and choses to use teh saftey. Thats her choice.

give me an instance where any G U N trigger can be pulled without a finger on it:nope: problem is when SHTF, most people get a rush & their instincts is to grab their gun, & their fingers goes for the trigger:scare2: Nice to have a MANUEL thumb safety:yeah:

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With a thumb safety, as you grab your gun, your thumb will be on the safety, there is N O lost of time when you need to shoot:tu:

You just countered your own points...

You said that in a SHTF situation some peoples instinct is to grab teh gun and shoot... then in the next sentence said that naturally when you grab your gun you sweep the saftey, (which is lost on me because I dont hold any of my guns with a grip on the saftey, but thats my shooting style) Also if you draw your gun on someone you shoot them, this aint the movies were you point a gun, tell the bad guy to drop his gun and kick it to you as you get teh pretty girl, if a guy is willing to take something to the level that you need your gun then they will not hesitate to shoot you when they see you too have a gun, and if your dumb enough to point a gun at a bad guy with the saftey on and your finger not on teh trigger then you gonna be really upset when you get your ass handed to you. For range use yes a saftey and finger off the trigger is priorty. For self defence, thats out teh window, if your gonna draw down on someone you need to be 100% ready to shoot to kill, mentally, legally, and physically.

I said "your thumb will be on the safety, there is N O lost of time when you need to shoot. Your thunmb will be on the safety, you only remove the safety when your ready to shoot:humm: If you shoot a bad guy that surrender or backs away, it's called murder:scare2:

Also some one freaking out and grabbing there gun on instinct and putting there finger on teh trigger and pulling it is a person problem that a manual saftey wont solve.

funny, in VA you can only shoot when your life is in danger, you draw to kill, if you pull out your gun you need to be ready to shoot. Yes if he backs away you cant shoot him but there is a VERY good chance that when an armed BG sees your gun he is going to start shooting. At that point the less yuo have to think about before returning fire the better.

Just my train of thought, your allowed yours.

If you get into a fight, & the guy your fighting grabs your gun, & you don't have a safety:scare2: You're going to get shot with your own gun:ouch: If you have a safety, you can fight while the guy is trying to pull the trigger & trying to figure out why the gun ain't shooting:pca1: COCKED-N-LOCKED, I wouldn't have any other way:yeah:

To try to see you side I went and got out all teh handguns we own, the walther, I can see no comfortable way to hold teh gun were I could get the saftey off, keep a good grip for a good shot, and do it all quick. My taurus better but still not good... The Glock... well... Easy to do :D

sorry, that argument holds no water with me, so you get two more seconds to think about how much getting shot is gonna suck... Placing your life on teh hopes that the BG cant work your gun is a long shot, while I'm sure it CAN happen I would not count on it happing enough to base an agument on it.

I keep saying "T H U M B SAFETY on the FRAME of the GUN" If your gun has a safety on the S L I D E that is a different matter:argh::argh:

the taurus is on the frame, its better then the walther but still not my cup of tea, my taurus has been on my side all day, with no saftey :scare2: we are all still alive and no one is bleeding.

oh yeah... the Glock has been in the bedside drawer for months... no one hurt either...

I hope you never have an AD {ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE} It's happen to alot of people:humm:

Never ever head of a AD that was caused by a gun and not someone disobeying one of the basic rules of gun saftey. If your dumb enough to carry a gun without a saftey or with teh saftey off in a way that is unsafe and can allow for a trigger pull (like say in a waist band such as Plaxico Burress) then you deserve what you get... If you keep your gun in a proper holster and use common sence (which I think we both agree is part of having any gun) then you will never have a AD due to not having a external safety or not using it.

Every time I touch a gun, I check to see if the gun is loaded, before I handle or let anybody handle the gun. I saw a guy shoot another guy when the owner of the gun handed the gun to the other guy.

As do I and as should EVERYONE, whats that got to do with the saftey?

And that goes to my point, AD due to TWO people (guy that was handed the gun should have checked also) not obeying a basic gun saftey rule.

If the safety would have been ON, that guy would not have been shot, BUT he should have N E V E R given anybody a load gun:argh:

If the guy had not been negligent then the gun would have never gone off... why did he pull teh trigger anyway? I'm not gonna let two jack asses that have no repect for a firearm dictate how I personaly carry my gun.

BOBBY in a perfect world, there would be no accidents or mistakes. BUT some people are lazy & take short cuts. Break safety rules & accidents will happen:ouch:

I agree and it always will be that way... no amount of saftey measures in ANYTHING will solve that. but when it comes down to my personal carry/defence weapon its there for one thing, protect me and my family and do it as fast and best as possible. Anyone that needs to rely on a mechanical saftey to keep from shooting themselves or someone else does not need a gun.

i think it all depends on the gun, i carry a G30, there is no replacement for the safety between your ears.

when i carry my 1911 it IS cocked-and-locked with the thumb safety, only because when i train with that gun, while going from holstered to the firing position the thumb safety is disabled with my thumb. never will i point a gun at someone or something that i intend to kill with a gun that has the safety on.

if you believe your method is superior than fine, i train my way, i carry my way and always will. i don't want to be the guy that got shot because his safety was on..... kind of like a guy that lost a drag race because he forgot to put the vehicle in gear......

if you think that your way is the only way then you have that right under the Constitution, but we also have the right to think that our way is the better way.

have fun with your gun on safety, remember that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

and about the ACCIDENTAL discharge you mentioned above..... from what i glanced at that would have been a NEGLIGENT discharge..... not accidental.....

All good points.

oh and if guns kill people then DieselMinded can blame his keyboard for misspelled words.

Hold up... I can do that?

well i guess the thinking behind that statement is this, i'll break it down for the people that don't want to think about it.

a person BUYS a gun, the same person puts bullets in the magazine or cylinder if a revolver, the same person loads one into the chamber. the same person pulls the trigger and the gun fires a projectile from it and it strikes another human being. who is at fault? the gun because it's firing pin contacted the primer of the bullet the person loaded into the chamber? or the person for pulling the trigger of the gun they knew was loaded or didn't know was loaded because the person was negligent in their handling of the gun. depending on the gun and the person's story the gun will be at fault because the person didn't know the safety was off, (if your finger is on the trigger be prepared to shoot and assume the safety is off) the person didn't know it was loaded (that again will be the guns fault somehow because you know that everyone is perfect) or the gun had an inadequate safety, like Glock's or S&W Sigma's that have a tested and proven trigger safety that does not go off on it's own.

now look at this situation,

a person buys a computer, connects a keyboard to the computer, logs onto the inter net and starts typing. the person can see the keys, they have letters and numbers on them. the person has access to spell check and a dictionary, but they still misspell words. they want to blame it on the computer or the key board, the keys must be too small and their fat fingers are hitting more than one key.....is it the keyboards fault that the operator can not push the correct buttons?

it all boils down to the user, users that haven't been properly trained in using a keyboard will have issues using it to it's fullest extent and will blame their lack of knowledge on the keyboard.

those same principals apply to guns, when someone is not trained properly on a gun, bad things can and will happen. but do they blame themselves for not being properly trained or for not knowing how a safety works? no it is always the gun's fault.

let me insert this link about someone who blames EVERYONE but himself for his situation....


"Enrique Chavez, now 39, of Anaheim, was off-duty when he was shot on July 11, 2006, while driving his Ford Ranger ......His three year old son, who was not in a car seat, got a hold of the father's .45-caliber Glock while sitting in the back seat and shot him in the back, according to police reports.

. . .

In July 2008, he sued Glock, alleging that the gun's safety was "non-existent or ineffective."

In addition, the suit alleges negligence on the part of Uncle Mike's, the company that made the gun's holster; Turner Outdoorsman, the store where he bought the holster; and the Los Angeles Police Revolver and Athletic Club, where the officer purchased the gun."

Cop shot by son loses suit against gun maker | gun, angeles, shot - News - The Orange County Register


if you are man or woman enough to have the responsibility of carrying a gun, be man or woman enough to deal with any consequences that arrise from your training, or lack there of....

Ben.... I've never heard it explained better.

Re: Handgun Concealed Carry, External Saftey or No External Saftey?
 

I don't own a handgun with a safety. I own 3 and they are all for one thing SELF DEFENSE. If I pull my gun, its because a BG has one pointed at me or mine, I use practice, know my weapons, and you safe handling techniques. If you don't practice the safe handling of a firearm you shouldn't carry a weapon. It is a very responsible thing to carry a firearm.

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keep your booger picker off of the go switch and you will be fine. saftey is between the ears. i carry a glock 17 with one in the hole with the 3.5 trigger.

[quote=89silverbullet;631063]keep your booger picker off of the go switch and you will be fine. saftey is between the ears.

amen

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another amen

Good Video that relates to this discussion...

Well, it is his handgun... so I suppose he can do whatever he wants to his own gun.

As for guns "just going off" ... I haven't ever had one of those. The accidental discharges that make the headlines the most are often in the confines of the toilet stall at public restrooms.

Even though I have trained and shot the 1911 for 35 years, on atleast 2 or 3 training occasions recently, found myself accidentally flipping up the safety when stress takes over. I have since started carrying a Sig 229 within the past year.

Maybe the safety issue on the 1911 is because I am shooting more and different guns than ever before. I hadn't ever encountered this problem before.

I don't believe in accidental discharges... negligent discharges on the other hand, unfortunately happen way to often.

amen

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This is always a great Glock video.....I'm the only one in this room I know of professional enough to carry this gun....BOOM.....:lol88::lol88:

Guy shoots himself in the leg at point blank range...walks around & then walks off camera...what's that say for the 40 short and weak....:spit::spit:

everybody has great points on here.
i personally do not gun on a daily basis because i could lose my job. but when i do its a 1911 with loaded with safety own. because thats how i have been trained.

but i also know that all safeties are a mechanical device and can fail. I have seen them fail. like was said above there is nothing better than the safety that is between the ears(of a properly trained and practiced indvidual) all others are like a mechanical safety they can and will fail often

BOBBY I've haven't forgot that you need a thumb safety on your GLOCK:w2::w2: Here is the website Ten-Ring Precision, Inc.