Springfield XD Series or Sig P250
 

Well I'm looking for a new sidearm, and I' stuck between the Sprngfield Armory XD series, and the Sig P250. I like the feel of both guns (have shot both), and the fit and finish seem to be on par. I like the .40 S&W round, but have an itch to try the .357 SIG if I can find someone that has one. So what's you guy's take on it. Do I go with the SIG or the Springfield, and in which chambering? I'm leaning toward the Springfield XD in .357 SIG, but since I've never shot that round, I want to hear what you guys think.

HI MotorOILMcCall, I have both calibers, If you do alot of shooting, get the 40 S&W, the rounds are cheaper and you get a better selction !!! But no matter which caliber you get, buy the other caliber barrel cause they are interchangable !!! You can use the same mag, and recoil spring for both barrels. The 357 SIG is a hot round I get 1400 FPS OUT OF MY full size GLOCK using 125 GR. FMJ.

Thanks Gunman, Are they interchangable in both guns, or just the Sig? I really like the feel of that XD, but I think the Sig might be a little more of a quality piece.

HI MotorOilMcCall, The reason the 357sig is interchangable with the 40s&w, is because the 357sig is nothing more than a 40s&w necked down to 9mm. I like my SIG 220 in .45 and 226 in 9mm, BUT only the SIG 1911 granite has a safety that I like, and it's called COCK-N-LOCK !!!! All other SIG's have DE-COCKER.

What do you think of the XD/XDM? I think they're pretty slick, but then again I'm shooting an old (like 1960's) Colt 1911 that was my uncle's. Anything feels good after shooting that thing.

WHOA, WHOA, That the HOLY GRAIL of handguns !!! the 1911 is the cream of the crop, the top-of-the-line, 1911 is the BEST FIGHT GUN, There is nothing better !!! The XD is a copy of the GLOCK, for the price, not a bad deal at all. If I had to go to harm's way, I will all take a handgun, that I can have it, with is a round in the chamber, and the safety on, with the hammer back !!! LOADED & COCKED & LOCKED !!!!:U::5::yeah:

Yeah, its nice, but try hiding the damn thing... Or buying ammo for it and not dropping $50... Then you go target shoot and you're wrists are so limp when you're done you gotta pay somebody to take care of your nightly ritual! Florida has way looser gun laws than NY... Around here, since I don't have a carry permit (you usually can't even get one unless you're job warrants it because of danger, and even then it takes almost 2 years), I have to have my gun locked in one part of my truck, without a magazine in it, and the ammo locked in a whole other compartment, like one in the glove box, one in the trunk... I have been looking for a lock box to put on the floor in front of my shifter, maybe 2 of them, one for ammo, one for the gun, but I'm not sure that would pass the muster depending on the cop...

I got pulled over a year or two ago, had a 9mm magazine laying on the passenger side floor, empty, and no gun in my truck... Cop made me step out and searched the truck. Then wrote me up for not properly storing ammo because I had a dozen 12ga shells in my console.

I hate NY...

HI MotorOilMcCall, Here in FLORIDA, you can own up to 50bmg machine-gun, if you want a silencer, full-auto weapons, it will cost you a $200 tax stamp. I can carry a gun in my car cocked-n-lock in the glove-box, without a permit. You only need a permit to carry it on you. Here to get a permit, all you need is $138, fingerprinted, have no felony conviction, and your permit is good for 3 years, to renew it's $38 for the next 3 years. Florida also has a law called STAND YOUR GROUND, If you feel your life or another persons life is in danger, you have the right to STAND YOU GROUND and use deadly force if need too. The no good THUGS, don't like that law !!!

can you even get the p250 with other barrels yet, i havent seen one that isnt 9mm and there isnt any barrels or mags offered on there web site. check out the sig p229 dak in 40s&w thats what i have at home and work and you can get it in 357sig.

Yeah I like the SIG'S, excellent guns, But the only SIG you can get with the COCK-N-LOCK are the granite series and that one is a 1911 type !!!!

The P229 dak doesnt have the de-cocker. Lock as in a safety?

Don't know anything about the others beside they don't fit my hand very well. I love my XD

HI DIESELDENT, I didn't know the P229 dak has a cock-n-lock safety ??? Will go to the gunshop and check it out !!!

not sure about the cock-n-lock safety couldnt find it on the web site. once you cock the p229dak your ready to go i dont think it has a safety.

I didn't think the 229 dak had a cock-n-lock, BUT I don't know everything about every gun ???

I have the XD 9mm subcompact. I like it but want to go to the .40 or 357sig. I have a CHL but trying to hide that thing on me with a holster is like hiding a potato. Most of the time is stays in my backpack. I did have to get the magazine with the finger extension on it because my pinky was wraping under.

HI JMart, The key is to be able to hit what you aim at !!! Once you have confidence, the 9mm is more than enough. Remember the 357sig & 40sw will kick more, and cost more money to shoot, so you mite not practice as much as you would with the 9mm !!!

Ive been kicking the idea around for awhile but I probably never will get around to it. I really like the 9 and dont have a problem hitting what I am aiming at. Even such a small pistol its still shoots really acurately.

I like the 9mm, You can rapid-fire and stay on target, plenty rounds will fit in a mag, if you must carry a gun, you can get a tiny 9mm, and the 9mm hits hard enough to get the job done !!! Plus 9mm is cheap, so you can practice, practice and practice !!!

Sad to say I've only got two (2) Sigs the P229R and the P239 and they are both chambered in 357Sig :U::U:

Love em :ok1:

I'd personally get a Glock 19 or a G-26 before I'd go with a XD, but that's just me & at one time I was a XD kool aid drinker, but now I'm of the firm belief that the G-19 is the best compact 9mm you can get and the G-26 is the best sub compact 9mm.

The price of a Glock is the only thing that keeps me away from them... Welll, that and the fact that everyone and their brother has one it seems.

I went to the gun show here this weekend, played around with a few of them, and I still kept coming back to the XD. Actually, now I want to shoot they XDM, even though its only chambered in .40 S&W, it is a super comfy gun, and draws out right to the sights.

HI Ramprat, Buy the optional 40 s&w barrel for your sig !!:yeah:

Now why would I want to get barrels for em in a caliber that was created to sell ammo and fix a non existent problem?

Ifin I wanted a 40 caliber I'd go all the way to the .45 and have a real caliber and man stopper :c:

But then again, the 40 is short and weak :howdy::howdy::pca1::w2:

Well... As far as I can tell, if I shot you with .40 S&W, I don't think the words "Short" and "Weak" would be the first things coming to mind... Then again, I know what you're saying, however I'll take .40 S&W over a 9mm any day.

That's what the designers of the 40 short and weak wanted you to think :pca1::pca1:

I'll let you shoot me with a 40 short and weak if I can shoot you with a 9mm 1st :humm::humm::ok1::pals:

Let me just zip up my flak jacket here a sec... Okay, ready. Nowhere below the belt, or above the chest... :pca1:

I've shot the 40 S&W, and a 9mm... The 40 S&W definitely has more energy than the 9mm. A 45 ACP will work too, but its overkill (no pun intended).

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HI guys, Bullet placement is first, than comes caliber, The reason you buy a 40 s&w barrel is, cause the 357 sig ammo is harder to find, and when do-do hits the fan you will have an option of using either ammo. And I don't think a 40 caliber 135 gr. bullet flying at 1350 FPS is short & weak !!!!:madd::ph:

I've been really happy with the XD 40, have shot a fair amount through a 3" compact with the mag extension for the finger, nice to conceal; and a lot through a 4". if you can't stop someone with a 40, you've got a lot bigger problem than most sidearm rounds can handle. and being that a lot of police/military use 40, it's a very common, relatively cheap round.

ramprat, why do you say you used to be an XD koolaid drinker? what don't you like about them?

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also, if 40 is such a poor round, why do our SF guys and FBI swat that have a personal choice and very high budget on what they use prefer 40??

What military uses the 40????

At one time I really liked em, but the more I learned about em the less I liked em. They have way to many parts to break or otherwise cause problems when you compare it to the G19 (or any Glock)

The Glock has been over in Iraq & Afghanistan since day 1 and is excelling in combat and many professional security types over in the box actually prefer it over any other handgun they can carry & they can carry anything they want. It just works & works and works.

Lots of people have drank out of the 40 fountain, but the 40 is a round that's a comprise between the 9mm and the .45 and was created when the full power 10mm proved to be to much for female and other male FBI agents. Thus the 40 is bigger than the 9mm and faster than the .45. It's a "ladies" caliber and one for the poor shots than can not put a 9mm where it needs to go to stop a bad guy. Using todays premium bullet like the Gold Dot and a shooter than can hit a target the 9mm is actually better than the 40 sue to lower recoil and faster follow up shots.

Again, what "SF" or high speed military guys use em, all the active duty guys I know about use the .45acp in a 1911 Govt style frame & some use the Glock in 9mm.

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The ammo I have in my Glock 19 is 115gr JHP @ 1395fps and out of a G17 it clocks in at 1415fps.

Yep the 357Sig ammo is hard to find, thus in a full blown Red Dawn type of SHTF WWIII scenario my Beretta 92FS will be my primary OC handgun & backup will be a G19. Otherwise in a day to day normal life the 357Sig will keep me happy :U::U:

Not to mention the 357Sig 125gr. Speer Gold Dot JHP ammo I load with clocks in at 1450fps & 584 ft. lbs out of a 4" bbl & 3.5" barrel - 1415fps & a 4.5" barrel - 1525fps and is designed to mimic the all time record holder for a "man stopper" the 125gr 357 Magnum round out of a semi auto pistol.

I only get 1400 FPS from my GLOCK 22 with a BARSTO 357sig barrel, firing SPEER 125gr. TMJ !!! I'm not bad-mouthing the 357sig, But don't short change the 40 s&w, 10mm failed,cause after the BREN TEN died, the colt and other guns could not handle it's power, so the ammo makers drop the power of the 10mm from a 200gr. at 1200 FPS to a 200gr. at 1050. I have like 6 glocks, so I don't hate them, I think if I was in a deserted Island, I would want a glock, they don't rust, BUT I only carry guns with frame mounted safety, these guns are the safest & fastest guns into action, I would not like to have a glock with a bullet in the chamber, BUT I have NO worries with a 1911, high power, CZ 75 or 85 in COCK-N-LOCK !!!:ok1::yeah:

US military are the people I'm referencing. I also didn't say it's standard issue for the entire military.

what if someone can scoop underneath a golf ball about 5 times in a row, hitting every time it drops back onto the dirt, with a 40; or at a normal paced walk can make groupings touch...would that be considered a poor shot? I realize that's not the average shooter and definitely not me; but those people do exist and a lot of them really like the 40.


people from NC or FL is all I'm willing to say here. also FBI swat and a few city swat. those kind of people. sorry I used sf, I know it's a pretty generalized, overly used TV term. regardless, not the run-of-the-mill folk that trust their lives to the 40.

you brought up some interesting, valid points and I'm not trying to argue that you're flat wrong...just that a 40 may not be as bad as you're saying it is in light of some of the people that use it, that's all.

Ahh, but the 10mm failed due to being to big and powerful for medium/small hands & for a abusive recoil as the Bren Ten was nothing more than a flash in the pan & was never mass produced. Don't forget S&W had the 1006, Colt had the Delta Elite & later Glock. The Colt Delta Elite and the 1006 had absolutely no problem with the pressures produced by the full house 10mm ammo & neither do the Glocks, it's all about the amount of recoil/blast & how people can not or do not want to deal with that & train to over come it. However, for those with smaller hands yeppers the 10mm was just to big for em.

You had the 10mm FBI Lite that is about the standard all 10mm cartridges are loaded to today, due to the recoil/blast of full hose 10mm loads.

Then S&W came out with the 40 short and week to fill the perceived gap between 9mm and .45auto. It has replaced the 9mm and the 45 but it does not excel in any one area & does not surpass the 45 auto's 230gr JHP. However, for poor shooters it does have more than 7-9 rounds of ammo that the 1911 carries. But then again, how many times has a civilian (let alone a LEO) CCWing a handgun shot more than 7-9 rounds?????????

Don't forget that the 357 Sig is nothing more (actually 40S&W brass will not work, it's to short) than a necked down 40 short and weak with a 355 bullet driven at hyper velocities to fill another perceived gap :tttt: :tttt:

Ill never own a Glock 40tay they tend to shoot owners & go KaBooooom :w2:

As far as guns with frame mounted safety's and not carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber, it's a training issue as they are just as "fast" and just as safe as long as you use the grey matter between your ears instead of relying on a mechanical safety to do your thinking for you.

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Hummm, in 20 years of active duty as a USAF SP/SF troop with deployments all around the world & have worked with/around many high speed guys I've never seen or heard of the 40 S&W being deployed with active duty military.


Ya can do it with a .22 pistol, 9mm and anything else you train with. It's not about the caliber as much as it is the shooter.

Hummm, will have to shoot a few e-mails out to some friends in AFSOC since they are down in FL & ask if they have seen/heard of it being deployed via the military.

Lots of LEO's depend on it since what there department went with as a issue caliber for whatever reason. Sure it's a "good" caliber with a large following, but it's not for me as I do not see a need for it or to fill a gap between the 9mm and the .45. Heck, the 357 Sig is just as much of a niche caliber in it's own way and does not really do much more than the 9mm +P+ can with a good shooter.

Yeppers, I'll agree with ya and say the 40 is not "bad" but the 230gr JHP is better all the way around except in that the 40 has more cartridges in a magazine than ya get with the .45 :c: :c:

There can't be no margin of error when dealing with guns, I ONLY carry a gun with a frame mounted safety, slide mounted safety are to small and slow you down. I only carry a gun with a bullet in the chamber. What works for me mite not work for you !!!!

just the coast guard, here in they u.s. we carry the sig p229 in 40. we still carry the old beretta 9mm overseas. ive shot both scored expert with both and would take the sig over the beretta any day.

Ahhh, the Coasties carry the 229 in 40 eh, well good on ya as the 229 is a superb handgun:U::U:

I actually like the 92SF, it's a great handgun but a BIG one.

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It's a training/knowledge issue as there is never a margin of error when it comes to firearms safety.

However, any day of the week I'll bet ya my Colt series 80 1911 Govt will be "faster" than a frame mounted safety like the XD or Sig has. & Glocks are even "faster" since they do not have a external safety to manupliate. We (the USAF SP/SF) carry the 92SF with a cartridge in the chamber and the "safety"/decocker in the fire position & with hundreds of armed troops daily how many AD/ND's do you hear about? In 15 years of carrying the 92SF I have never heard of a AD/ND that was not due to operator error/playing with the gun.

However, it's all about training & knowledge/trust in your weapon of choice and ya know what, a handgun without a cartridge in the chamber is like packing a really expensive hammer in your pocket.

Bottom line is that "speed" is also a non issue when it comes to CCW, IF you ever have to use your weapon it's not about speed, but having the ability to put rounds on target causing the goblin to stop his actions that forced you to shoot. & if you spray and pray shooting "fast" then you loose in a court of law instead of taking your time and shooting quick.

the sig we carry has no safety of de-cocker

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This isn't my gun...I don't own a Delta Elite, Mr. Obama...in fact I don't own any guns at all, just check your database. :)

super, email away friend. and next time I go shooting with someone, I'll send you a picture of loading the s&w 40 into issued H&K, G- and XD sidearms. or perhaps you'd like to see some of the speared hollowpoints I don't have. of course, you're still free to and I'm sure still will disagree with me, that's fine.

I still hold to my original point that the XD is a good sidearm and the 40 isn't as utterly useless as you make it out to be. the 40 is a good all around size as it's a good balance of penetration, damage, exit wound size, recoil control and price. it's a good size for someone that wants to shoot a lot and carry something capable of stopping anyone with zero to light armor or drugs.:pca1:

I have a 9mm for self defence, right now !!! Don't feel under powered, I have my reason for having the 9mm, BUT the 357sig, 40 s&w, 10mm, 357 mag, 45 acp, are all man-stopper, REMEMBER it's more important where you hit him, than the caliber you hit him !!!!