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MotorOilMcCall 11-10-2008 08:53 AM

The price of a Glock is the only thing that keeps me away from them... Welll, that and the fact that everyone and their brother has one it seems.

I went to the gun show here this weekend, played around with a few of them, and I still kept coming back to the XD. Actually, now I want to shoot they XDM, even though its only chambered in .40 S&W, it is a super comfy gun, and draws out right to the sights.

gunman41mag 11-10-2008 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Ramprat (Post 234104)
Sad to say I've only got two (2) Sigs the P229R and the P239 and they are both chambered in 357Sig :U::U:

Love em :ok1:

I'd personally get a Glock 19 or a G-26 before I'd go with a XD, but that's just me & at one time I was a XD kool aid drinker, but now I'm of the firm belief that the G-19 is the best compact 9mm you can get and the G-26 is the best sub compact 9mm.

HI Ramprat, Buy the optional 40 s&w barrel for your sig !!:yeah:

Ramprat 11-10-2008 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by gunman41mag (Post 234165)
HI Ramprat, Buy the optional 40 s&w barrel for your sig !!:yeah:

Now why would I want to get barrels for em in a caliber that was created to sell ammo and fix a non existent problem?

Ifin I wanted a 40 caliber I'd go all the way to the .45 and have a real caliber and man stopper :c:

But then again, the 40 is short and weak :howdy::howdy::pca1::w2:

MotorOilMcCall 11-10-2008 11:46 AM

Well... As far as I can tell, if I shot you with .40 S&W, I don't think the words "Short" and "Weak" would be the first things coming to mind... Then again, I know what you're saying, however I'll take .40 S&W over a 9mm any day.

Ramprat 11-10-2008 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by MotorOilMcCall (Post 234194)
Well... As far as I can tell, if I shot you with .40 S&W, I don't think the words "Short" and "Weak" would be the first things coming to mind... Then again, I know what you're saying, however I'll take .40 S&W over a 9mm any day.

That's what the designers of the 40 short and weak wanted you to think :pca1::pca1:

I'll let you shoot me with a 40 short and weak if I can shoot you with a 9mm 1st :humm::humm::ok1::pals:

MotorOilMcCall 11-10-2008 01:18 PM

Let me just zip up my flak jacket here a sec... Okay, ready. Nowhere below the belt, or above the chest... :pca1:

I've shot the 40 S&W, and a 9mm... The 40 S&W definitely has more energy than the 9mm. A 45 ACP will work too, but its overkill (no pun intended).

stkdram55 11-10-2008 01:18 PM

:humm:

gunman41mag 11-10-2008 02:12 PM

HI guys, Bullet placement is first, than comes caliber, The reason you buy a 40 s&w barrel is, cause the 357 sig ammo is harder to find, and when do-do hits the fan you will have an option of using either ammo. And I don't think a 40 caliber 135 gr. bullet flying at 1350 FPS is short & weak !!!!:madd::ph:

greasemonkey 11-10-2008 04:15 PM

I've been really happy with the XD 40, have shot a fair amount through a 3" compact with the mag extension for the finger, nice to conceal; and a lot through a 4". if you can't stop someone with a 40, you've got a lot bigger problem than most sidearm rounds can handle. and being that a lot of police/military use 40, it's a very common, relatively cheap round.

ramprat, why do you say you used to be an XD koolaid drinker? what don't you like about them?

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also, if 40 is such a poor round, why do our SF guys and FBI swat that have a personal choice and very high budget on what they use prefer 40??

Ramprat 11-10-2008 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by greasemonkey (Post 234268)
I've been really happy with the XD 40, have shot a fair amount through a 3" compact with the mag extension for the finger, nice to conceal; and a lot through a 4". if you can't stop someone with a 40, you've got a lot bigger problem than most sidearm rounds can handle. and being that a lot of police/military use 40, it's a very common, relatively cheap round.

What military uses the 40????


Originally Posted by greasemonkey (Post 234268)
ramprat, why do you say you used to be an XD koolaid drinker? what don't you like about them?

At one time I really liked em, but the more I learned about em the less I liked em. They have way to many parts to break or otherwise cause problems when you compare it to the G19 (or any Glock)

The Glock has been over in Iraq & Afghanistan since day 1 and is excelling in combat and many professional security types over in the box actually prefer it over any other handgun they can carry & they can carry anything they want. It just works & works and works.


Originally Posted by greasemonkey (Post 234268)
also, if 40 is such a poor round, why do our SF guys and FBI swat that have a personal choice and very high budget on what they use prefer 40??

Lots of people have drank out of the 40 fountain, but the 40 is a round that's a comprise between the 9mm and the .45 and was created when the full power 10mm proved to be to much for female and other male FBI agents. Thus the 40 is bigger than the 9mm and faster than the .45. It's a "ladies" caliber and one for the poor shots than can not put a 9mm where it needs to go to stop a bad guy. Using todays premium bullet like the Gold Dot and a shooter than can hit a target the 9mm is actually better than the 40 sue to lower recoil and faster follow up shots.

Again, what "SF" or high speed military guys use em, all the active duty guys I know about use the .45acp in a 1911 Govt style frame & some use the Glock in 9mm.

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Originally Posted by gunman41mag (Post 234231)
HI guys, Bullet placement is first, than comes caliber, The reason you buy a 40 s&w barrel is, cause the 357 sig ammo is harder to find, and when do-do hits the fan you will have an option of using either ammo. And I don't think a 40 caliber 135 gr. bullet flying at 1350 FPS is short & weak !!!!:madd::ph:

The ammo I have in my Glock 19 is 115gr JHP @ 1395fps and out of a G17 it clocks in at 1415fps.

Yep the 357Sig ammo is hard to find, thus in a full blown Red Dawn type of SHTF WWIII scenario my Beretta 92FS will be my primary OC handgun & backup will be a G19. Otherwise in a day to day normal life the 357Sig will keep me happy :U::U:

Not to mention the 357Sig 125gr. Speer Gold Dot JHP ammo I load with clocks in at 1450fps & 584 ft. lbs out of a 4" bbl & 3.5" barrel - 1415fps & a 4.5" barrel - 1525fps and is designed to mimic the all time record holder for a "man stopper" the 125gr 357 Magnum round out of a semi auto pistol.


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