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You won't be gone, I'll make sure of that. This is a thread of what the members what, from those here from day one, to members on their first day.
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Originally Posted by Benjamin
(Post 967728)
it is a business, and businesses are to make money. IF they move the vendors back to the top, then when other hope full vendors come looking to sign up, they think that there are not that many because the sponsor section is at the bottom and lost in the clutter and they do not see them. all they see at the top is 2 banner ads that rotate, and are random so they may see the same 5-6 sponsors ads on a given date.
when was the last time you went to a new forum and looked at every forum they had on the main page? BUT if they had all 58 sponsors up top, where they were the first seen when someone came to the main page, then they would likely NOT sign up due to having too much competition for the lack of traffic, or they would not sign up because of the ridiculous yearly rate..... Either way, I was told by IB that sponsors don't keep this site running, the members do. I'm not sure how many members are paying contributors, but I'm trying to fathom how many it would need to be to outweigh the vendors fees. If a vendor chooses not to sign up because there's some "competition" then good riddance. If you make a quality product or have quality service, competition shouldn't matter. Besides, a little competition is good, helps us out more. :c:
Originally Posted by VTstrokin
(Post 967778)
Hey Guys,
This is my first post so bear with me. I joined this site 5 or 6 days ago and just recently came across this topic. I just moved up to my first diesel and started looking at forums to gain some knowledge. The last site i was on was an F150 forum and they recently were taken over by a large company, as it seems this site was. The difference was the new owners of the site kept their dick beaters off of it. The moderators and admins had control of the site and the amount of posts and contributing members actually increased. Many members weren't even aware there was an exchange of power. The mods know this site and the moderators better than the company and are more accurate on their knowledge of what the site needs. Now if I'm wrong I apologize but that is just what I have picked up on by reading through the site.
Originally Posted by VTstrokin
(Post 967817)
RAWilliams, I got ya, I was just making sure. I didn't want to rub anyone the wrong way on my first post.
This is my first Diesel, and I'll be honest, I really don't know squat about them. I looked on a few other diesel forums and I saw more informative posts on this one than the others. I know when the owners of the site see my first post I might be a goner which would be unfortunate. But they need to understand that while they are the owners, they need to let go a bit and let the moderators do their job and manage the site as they see fit. In the end, it will probably work out better for everyone that way. How did you find more info about a 6.4 powerstroke here than elsewhere? I'm not trying to turn you away by any means, but I'll be the first to admit the 6.4 section needs some attention! |
Mdub, It was more about diesels in general that I was able to pick up on here. I realized that the 6.4 area here wasn't all that big, but I wanted to find out more about diesel's in general. I tried to join the .org but they haven't been able to send me a link to verify my account,or something along those line. The quick responses I've seen on this site on both public topics and private messages I think is unmatched by any forum I've been on. And thank you for the reassurance I won't get the boot. I realize I probably ticked off the owners but they need to hear this kind of stuff.
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This is one focus that I do see that we will need on this site is more action in the tech sections and performance sections. I know I should post more in these sections everyday. But with how busy we have become I cant be off the phones long enough to get on the site right now. I do like the ideas on the badlands needing a higher post count to make it in there. And also how it was stated that that was the most active section in DB is true. But is the same 3-5 people constantly posting in that section. So how does that truly make it the most active section? "Flame suit on"
The reason I came to DB before Alligator was because of the help, knowledge, and members of the sight. The content was great and people were always posting new things. Personally I say let DB be run by the mods and make it a group effort versus a regime like it is now. I do know that some of the sections can be thinned out and some clutter taken away. |
Originally Posted by Mdub707
(Post 967986)
Well we don't exactly see eye to eye on this, I think it's a slap in the face to the vendors that are ALREADY HERE, who cares about vendors that aren't even signed up. How about we reward the one's we have?
Either way, I was told by IB that sponsors don't keep this site running, the members do. I'm not sure how many members are paying contributors, but I'm trying to fathom how many it would need to be to outweigh the vendors fees. If a vendor chooses not to sign up because there's some "competition" then good riddance. If you make a quality product or have quality service, competition shouldn't matter. Besides, a little competition is good, helps us out more. :c: I am all for the paying vendors to be moved back up top where they were. It is a slap in their face to move them to the bottom..... and to be associated with the badlands..... Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2 |
Originally Posted by Mdub707
(Post 967986)
I'm not sure how many members are paying contributors, but I'm trying to fathom how many it would need to be to outweigh the vendors fees.
I will have to count the premium members on here tonight but i highly doubt their "donation" puts a dent into what IB makes off the vendors.... Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2 |
What I've seen is some forums are allowing vendors to "sponsor" individual sub-forums. As in a company that specializes in Cummins performance parts can chose to sponsor the Dodge Sub Forums and have their logo beside the sub forum name. Now this isn't perfect because most of the time there are more than one company that would be qualified to sponsor that area. It would be up to the owners/mods/admins to decide who would get it. Who pays more, who has been a sponsor/vendor longer. Just an idea and my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by VTstrokin
(Post 967990)
Mdub, It was more about diesels in general that I was able to pick up on here. I realized that the 6.4 area here wasn't all that big, but I wanted to find out more about diesel's in general.
Originally Posted by Scott@Alligator
(Post 968009)
This is one focus that I do see that we will need on this site is more action in the tech sections and performance sections. I know I should post more in these sections everyday. But with how busy we have become I cant be off the phones long enough to get on the site right now. I do like the ideas on the badlands needing a higher post count to make it in there. And also how it was stated that that was the most active section in DB is true. But is the same 3-5 people constantly posting in that section. So how does that truly make it the most active section? "Flame suit on"
The reason I came to DB before Alligator was because of the help, knowledge, and members of the sight. The content was great and people were always posting new things. Personally I say let DB be run by the mods and make it a group effort versus a regime like it is now. I do know that some of the sections can be thinned out and some clutter taken away.
Originally Posted by Benjamin
(Post 968034)
IF all yhe vendors are paying the latest going rate, and I know all of them are not, at $20 per member it would take ~16,225 members paying on an annual basis to equal what the sponsors pay.
I will have to count the premium members on here tonight but i highly doubt their "donation" puts a dent into what IB makes off the vendors.... Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2 |
Originally Posted by Mdub707
(Post 968051)
Kind of tells me my assumptions are correct. Good to know.:c:
I don't think there is more than 100 or so paying members on here.... Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk 2 ---AutoMerged DoublePost---
Originally Posted by Benjamin
(Post 968034)
IF all yhe vendors are paying the latest going rate, and I know all of them are not, at $20 per member it would take ~16,225 members paying on an annual basis to equal what the sponsors pay.
I will have to count the premium members on here tonight but i highly doubt their "donation" puts a dent into what IB makes off the vendors....
Originally Posted by Mdub707
(Post 968051)
Kind of tells me my assumptions are correct. Good to know.:c:
Originally Posted by Benjamin
(Post 968090)
If all the sponsors are paying the "Legacy" rate, and i feel some of them aren't, it would take ~1033 members at $20 a piece to equal what the sponsors pay.....
I don't think there is more than 100 or so paying members on here.... 246 premium members, of which 9 are moderators, 28 are vendors, 13 are in the "Former Vendor" user group which means they are unofficially banned from the forum unless they pay IB or contact them to request that they be un-banned due to non payment of vendor status, so they can not post or send PM's but look like a normal member , (this is NORMAL INTERNET BRANDS PROTOCOL WHEN A SPONSOR DOES NOT RE-UP so those who are not going to re-up when the time comes get ready to either fight with IB or sign up under a different user name) though they are a paying member, and 2 are IB staff. SO, the total "members" are 196 that actually pay to be here....:c: so at $20.91 a pop that is $4098.36 a year, less than that if they spread it out over 2 years, paying $36.35 would net IB $3562.30 per year on a 2 year membership, but $7124.60 up front, assuming they all paid over 1 fiscal year. there are a ton of variables, but it is VERY doubtful that the members fund the site, seeing how IB *could* bring in between $20,300 - $382,800 depending on the price plan the vendor is on. :c: |
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